Cancer Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 And that's a money thing. Teams have come to realize that the biggest profit comes from a superstar-quality skill position player on a rookie contract. After they pan out and command more money, they aren't as profitable for teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Yeah, particularly with QBs. OverTheCap's got a list of the 2020 salaries. Wentz and Ryan pretty much define the cheapest non-rookie starter's contracts; Joe Burrow has the best rookie contract. Well, yeah, because it's a 2020 rookie contract for the #1 pick. But prorated, it's still half of Ryan's, much less a Rivers or Garoppolo. Player Team Cap Number Cash Spent Dak Prescott Cowboys $31,409,000 $31,409,000 Russell Wilson Seahawks $31,000,000 $18,000,000 Jared Goff Rams $28,842,682 $31,042,682 Jimmy Garoppolo 49ers $26,600,000 $25,200,000 Philip Rivers Colts $25,000,000 $25,000,000 Tom Brady Buccaneers $25,000,000 $25,000,000 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $23,750,000 $21,000,000 Drew Brees Saints $23,650,000 $25,000,000 Ryan Tannehill Titans $22,500,000 $37,500,000 Aaron Rodgers Packers $21,642,000 $7,290,000 Derek Carr Raiders $21,500,000 $19,000,000 Jacoby Brissett Colts $21,312,500 $15,000,000 Matt Stafford Lions $21,300,000 $21,500,000 Kirk Cousins Vikings $21,000,000 $40,000,000 Alex Smith Washington $20,300,000 $16,000,000 Matt Ryan Falcons $18,962,500 $20,500,000 Carson Wentz Eagles $18,656,536 $39,383,000 Teddy Bridgewater Panthers $14,000,000 $24,000,000 Deshaun Watson Texans $9,808,244 $29,354,247 Mitchell Trubisky Bears $9,237,593 $4,423,968 Marcus Mariota Raiders $9,125,000 $7,500,000 Baker Mayfield Browns $9,003,540 $3,541,180 Sam Darnold Jets $8,339,371 $3,319,790 Kyler Murray Cardinals $8,080,601 $2,183,120 Ryan Fitzpatrick Dolphins $8,000,000 $8,000,000 Tyrod Taylor Chargers $7,500,000 $5,000,000 Nick Foles Bears $6,666,666 $8,000,000 Joe Burrow Bengals $6,580,025 $24,490,100 Daniel Jones Giants $5,922,740 $1,751,548 Josh Allen Bills $5,867,191 $2,495,730 Tua Tagovailoa Dolphins $5,504,625 $20,188,500 Patrick Mahomes Chiefs $5,346,538 $10,825,000 Taysom Hill Saints $4,841,000 $8,841,000 Justin Herbert Chargers $4,832,501 $17,500,004 A.J. McCarron Texans $4,000,000 $4,000,000 Dwayne Haskins Washington $3,276,503 $1,150,301 Andy Dalton Cowboys $3,000,000 $3,000,000 Jameis Winston Saints $2,860,000 $1,100,000 Case Keenum Browns $2,833,333 $5,500,000 Lamar Jackson Ravens $2,583,178 $1,341,060 Robert Griffin III Ravens $2,500,000 $2,000,000 Matt Schaub Falcons $2,375,000 $2,000,000 Jordan Love Packers $2,251,540 $7,176,160 Colt McCoy Giants $2,250,000 $2,250,000 Matt Barkley Bills $2,025,000 $1,825,000 Chase Daniel Lions $2,000,000 $3,500,000 Jeff Driskel Broncos $1,750,000 $2,500,000 Nate Sudfeld Eagles $1,700,000 $1,700,000 Ryan Griffin Buccaneers $1,645,000 $1,645,000 Chad Henne Chiefs $1,625,000 $2,000,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Also probably doesn't hp when Prescotts demand half a team salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 RIP Paul Hornung. Cancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 His final season was the year I first watched football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 22 hours ago, Badger said: Also probably doesn't hp when Prescotts demand half a team salary cap. QB is the highest paid position, but the other major expense is the pass rushers...defensive end, edge linebackers. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/ And if you look at team salary structures, everyone pretty much has maybe 10 players making Big Bucks (for their positions), another 15-20 running around postional average, and a bunch making league minimum. MLB and the NBA follow similar patterns. QB is one of the big ones, tho, because the supply is minuscule, and the demand is off the charts. I agree Dak's overpaid, but 2 years from now? $30M will be normal. (Well, ok, maybe not 2 years. Pandemic and economic conditions will be a big factor.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 There used to be stories basically about Criminals Too Stupid NOT To Be In Jail...like the bank robber...he says, "give me all your money!" Teller says, I need to see some ID. Robber shows his REAL id. Yes, well, in that vein, I present to you...the New Orleans Saints. (Spoken in my best Hans Gruber.) https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30320330/sources-new-orleans-saints-face-significant-discipline-videos-locker-room-celebration In game news, it appears that the lightning storm that delayed the Texans-Browns game, so terrified both offenses that they fled the area. Passing stats in particular looked woeful. 6 games in the afternoon slot. That's pretty rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 52 minutes ago, unclevlad said: 6 games in the afternoon slot. That's pretty rare. Blame golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 Could be, since Masters was on CBS. OK. If the Raiders and Dolphins win this afternoon (expected altho they're not big favorites), and the Ravens beat the Pats tonight (also expected), the gulf in the AFC between the contenders and the also-rans becomes a chasm. Colts, Browns, Titans, Raiders, and Dolphins would all be 6-3. Next would be the Broncos and Pats at 3-6...or possibly the Bengals at 3-5-1 but they'd need to beat the Steelers for that to be the case, and that's not likely. So for all practical purposes, the AFC would be down to 9 teams even if they're forced to 8 playoff slots. 2 weeks before Thanksgiving, no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 The Donkeys' offensive line play today was simply egregious. Drew Lock was under assault all afternoon (which is part of the reason he threw four picks) and they could establish no running game whatsoever. That they would lose in embarrassing fashion was inevitable. Oddly enough, the announcers pointed out that Garett Bolles is one of the top five rated left tackles this season. I guess that's just a testament to how much the rest of the line is struggling. And that's not even the worst of it. The next three games are Dolphins, Saints, and at the Chiefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Drew Brees apparently decided against returning to his game after halftime, what with the multiple fractured ribs and only one collapsed lung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Impact of no crowds? With MNF still ongoing, home teams are 76-69 to this point in the season. 52%. But I found this very interesting too. It might just be continuing a trend. https://fullpresscoverage.com/2020/10/07/homefield-advantage-in-the-nfl-is-taking-another-beating/ TL;DR -- last year, the home teams only won 52% of the time. Then this:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/sports/football/road-team-advantage.html Curious.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Not even the Jets can lose the Bye week, it seems. They have to fly over to LA twice in the next five weeks, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Wow, the Bears are in free-fall. First 4 drives of the second half, 3 and out every time. Net, +3 yards. 5th drive was after the big punt return late...started at the Vikes' 45. First pass play was fine, 12 yards I think...first down. Then *thud*. And now...ball back with 45 seconds left, no time outs, on their own 20....FAT chance. First down, Foles gets grabbed by the jersey, chest high, but gets a bit torqued around and he's now on the ground. OUCH...he's being taken off on a cart. Any kidding aside, that's not something I wish on...well, almost anyone. I'm not a saint, after all. But no defense has a shot when the offense does absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Well, Jameis Winston can pretty much start looking for a new job for next year. Taysom Hill named starter with Brees out. Hill's got snaps, sure, but I believe predominately as a wildcat QB. If Winston can't get past him, it's pretty clear he's got no real future with the Saints. Doesn't say his career is completely done, to be sure, but it's not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 I do not understand Sean Payton's obsession with Taysom Hill. The dude is interesting in fantasy football though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 White men who can jump are endlessly fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Taysom Hill has spent the last couple of years asserting that he has what it takes to be starting quarterback in the NFL. Now I guess we'll all find out. It's worth noting that in five years at BYU, Taysom Hill suffered season-ending injuries in four of them. I hope he's not looking at a similar fate as a starting quarterback in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 I'm guessing Winston will get a lot of snaps. Naming Hill as the starter may even be a bit of a fake out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Actually this is Sean Payton finding out if he was correct about Taysom Hill. If Hill shines then that contract they gave him is on the high side for a good backup QB but justifiable because Hill does so much else. If Hill doesn't then they can flip back to Winston, and see if he's the answer to life after Brees which may come as soon as next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 To be honest, I would not be unhappy to see Jameis Winston not take another snap in the NFL. He's the poster man for why the NFL needs to enforce their Personal Conduct policies more even-handedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 21, 2020 Report Share Posted November 21, 2020 Taysom Hill might bomb but could shine. Winston's a much more known quantity...and that's not in his favor. Starlord: report is that Hill took all the first-string snaps. Plus, if you want situational....Winston seems like the main guy in that context, with Hill staying in his complementary, situational role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 I think we all knew this in advance, but still.... Drew Brees doesn't have 5 broken ribs. He has 11. Football players are insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 * cough * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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