Rebar Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Best way to buy this? Energy Blast vs. ED, NND, does not wok against resistant ED Or simply KA vs. ED does stun only (the latter would have virtually the same effect. If foe has resistant ED, then it has no effect) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 EB is the better way since Tasers aren’t typically designed to kill you. Unless your the Joker of course! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Ninja-Bear said: EB is the better way since Tasers aren’t typically designed to kill you. Unless your the Joker of course! ? But the mechanic of a KA is that it goes against rED. That does seem to be what I'm looking to build. Normal characters, with non-resistant ED will be affected, but anything resistant will stop it. And the stun-only lim means that no body is applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Then go with Energy Blast, AVAD Resistant Defense, All or Nothing, Stun Only for the build. That seems to cover the effect you"ve defined Christopher R Taylor and Vanguard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Rebar said: But the mechanic of a KA is that it goes against rED. That does seem to be what I'm looking to build. Normal characters, with non-resistant ED will be affected, but anything resistant will stop it. And the stun-only lim means that no body is applied. Remeber Resistant Defenses also applies to Nomrmal Attacks and in sufficient quantity, Normal Attack can do Body. I’m not sure if it was brought up in fifth (which I assume you are using) but in 6th now it’s stated that Blast (renamed EB) is for Stun and Killing is for Body damage. So they discourage now low KA with High Stun as a build principal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 I generally do it as a RKA with +4 Stun continuous reduced penetrating (ex: 1/2d6 RKA +4 Stun(+1) const.(+1/2) reduced pen (-1/4) OAF(-1) No Knockback (-1/4) Act=25, Real=10) End battery 10 End OAF(-1) Tasers have been known to induce heart attacks so I figure a couple of Body might be acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Joker doesn't use tasers. He uses joybuzzers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 14 hours ago, Greywind said: Joker doesn't use tasers. He uses joybuzzers. I beg to differ. He uses KILL-joybuzzers. eepjr24 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 6:43 PM, Rebar said: But the mechanic of a KA is that it goes against rED. That does seem to be what I'm looking to build. Normal characters, with non-resistant ED will be affected, but anything resistant will stop it. And the stun-only lim means that no body is applied. It would probably be easier to apply a "Resistant ED Stops the Attack completely" Limitation, as Blast generates more Stun per DC than Killing Attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 11 hours ago, ghost-angel said: It would probably be easier to apply a "Resistant ED Stops the Attack completely" Limitation, as Blast generates more Stun per DC than Killing Attacks. Which is what I posted earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 hours ago, dsatow said: I beg to differ. He uses KILL-joybuzzers. I don't think Killjoy would like being turned into a buzzer. dsatow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Greywind said: I don't think Killjoy would like being turned into a buzzer. I doubt she'd like to be manhandled eaither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 The write up for Cordelia Chase at Matt's Champions Page has a Taser EB 4d6, OAF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 The thing about Tasers is, as soon as you stop applying current, the target recovers instantly. They don't actually knock people out. What they do is lock up the target's muscles. So, it might be better to build them as some form of Suppress (just vs. STR with enough fixed effect to bring a target down to 0 STR, scaled to what you want to incapacitate should work based on the STR 0 rules) if you wanted to get technical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Not if the target has a pacemaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, Greywind said: Not if the target has a pacemaker. Side effect, and not worth any points due to the rarity. Also: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17491105 http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/118/Suppl_18/S_592.3 This last one actually has pics of what appear to be deceased humans, and supports that occasionally Tasers can cause heart failure: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/129/1/101#sec-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 49 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: The thing about Tasers is, as soon as you stop applying current, the target recovers instantly. They don't actually knock people out. What they do is lock up the target's muscles. So, it might be better to build them as some form of Suppress (just vs. STR with enough fixed effect to bring a target down to 0 STR, scaled to what you want to incapacitate should work based on the STR 0 rules) if you wanted to get technical. While true, most people are designing tasers based on movies, comics, etc. Its just like lasers don't go "PEW!", do knockback, or generally cause an object to explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, dsatow said: While true, most people are designing tasers based on movies, comics, etc. Its just like lasers don't go "PEW!", do knockback, or generally cause an object to explode. That's why I said "if you want to get technical." I usually build lasers with No Knockback as a way of defining them as lasers. However, I don't otherwise try to make them realistic. Because small weaponized lasers aren't particularly realistic. I was just offering up an optional way to look at the build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted July 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: The thing about Tasers is, as soon as you stop applying current, the target recovers instantly. They don't actually knock people out. Oh! Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted July 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Actually, I just realized it's moot. Tasers would be a huge anachronism in a campaign set in the 80s. I intended as standard issue for Port Authority Police. Not. I'm not even sure they'd have mace. Not standard issue, anyway. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 21 hours ago, Rebar said: Actually, I just realized it's moot. Tasers would be a huge anachronism in a campaign set in the 80s. I intended as standard issue for Port Authority Police. Not. I'm not even sure they'd have mace. Not standard issue, anyway. Sorry. Not an anachronism. They were introduced in the late 70s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmNXZbyvclw According to wiki, Mace Spray was invented in the late 60s. So mace spray (not pepper spray) has been around a while too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 There’s a difference between Mace and Pepper spray? I thought they were the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Not seeing a Pepper Potts spray. Meanwhile, in reality... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mace-Pepper-Gun-Refill-Cartridges-2-Pack-OC-Pepper-Spray-/171888437933 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted July 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 hours ago, dsatow said: Not an anachronism. They were introduced in the late 70s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmNXZbyvclw According to wiki, Mace Spray was invented in the late 60s. So mace spray (not pepper spray) has been around a while too. Yes. I checked on that. It existed, but, as I said, it would not have been standard issue for Police for a decade or more. Hardly right to include it as "standard equipment" in a package deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 10:43 PM, Pattern Ghost said: The thing about Tasers is, as soon as you stop applying current, the target recovers instantly. Instantly in real life (often lots of seconds) is very different from instantly in HERO (often a segment). ? I think that you are right though. It very much depends on what you think a TASER actually is - an immobilising device that tends to do no long lasting damage or a weapon designed to knock people out rather than killing them. The builds would be very different. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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