Pariah Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 He did a great job at Utah State. Some coaches are just better suited to life at a mid-major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 He did a great job at Utah State. Some coaches are just better suited to life at a mid-major. He had a very good record at Wisconsin, a program with greater tradition and considerable more prestige than Oregon State. Which made me wonder at the time why he took the Oregon State job in the first place, when it was clearly a program that was going nowhere. Perhaps he really did believe he could turn it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 One of the reasons, IIRC, was that he found the academic requirements for admission to Wisconsin (and the other Big 10 11 12 14 schools) limited the players he could recruit. It's a reality in that conference, but apparently he didn't want that particular headache. Oregon State represented a Power 5 job without the academic restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 you make that sound hurtful . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 One of the reasons, IIRC, was that he found the academic requirements for admission to Wisconsin (and the other Big 10 11 12 14 schools) limited the players he could recruit. It's a reality in that conference, but apparently he didn't want that particular headache. Oregon State represented a Power 5 job without the academic restrictions. In that case he should have gone to the NFL, where players are paid openly and the academics required are just in the film room and playbook study. I wonder if there is any sort of link (other than coincidence) between poor high school grades and personal discipline issues or criminal conduct once an athlete gets into the college setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 you make that sound hurtful . Sorry, that wasn't my intent. Mea culpa. Still...it is one of the stated reasons (by Gary himself) that he left Wisconsin. Enforcer84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Sad, but not untrue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Sorry, that wasn't my intent. Mea culpa. Still...it is one of the stated reasons (by Gary himself) that he left Wisconsin. I think when chose to pull for Oregon St., he accepted he would be hurt a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Sad, but not untrue.... That's not quite right. The dumpster is not on fire. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Well, it might be really really smelly, which is an adequate substitute. And I mean dead-for-three days skunk smelly. Four or five such. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 That's not quite right. The dumpster is not on fire. Well, it might be really really smelly, which is an adequate substitute. And I mean dead-for-three days skunk smelly. Four or five such. True in both cases, although the fire is not far away. The Cougars will almost certainly lose at Mississippi State (who beat LSU, who throttled the Cougars earlier this year) on Saturday. That leaves them with a 1-6 record with 6 games left to play. BYU will have to win out to be bowl eligible. It's certainly possible--the schedule is @ East Carolina, home to San Jose, @ Fresno, @ UNLV, home to UMass, and @Hawai'i--but it leaves them no room for error. And so far, 'error' is all they've shown they can do. If BYU fails to qualify for a bowl game, the fires will start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I thought about the fire comment, but am manning shelter operations in Napa so thought it might be a little on the nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Stay safe, Iuz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Seconded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Here's an interesting article in the wake of the Gary Anderson departure: Now is the perfect time for Oregon State to find a new identity by running the option I'm kind of in favor of it just because I know how much it'll bug Utah to have to face Option teams again. (The Utes historically had a hard time with Air Force.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 There's one problem with option: it doesn't take great athletes to run it successfully, but it does take athletes with intelligence and with discipline. That's why places like Air Force run it; by definition they don't have the greatest athletes, but also by definition the folks that are there have intelligence and discipline. I don't know Oregon State well enough to assess that, but other places are kind of the opposite of that. Like Washington State, and I say that as someone who used to be a faculty member there; for a more meme-like example, see "Leaf, Ryan". If that's your institutional tradition, you'd be up against a double barrier trying to go the option route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Here's an interesting article in the wake of the Gary Anderson departure: Now is the perfect time for Oregon State to find a new identity by running the option I'm kind of in favor of it just because I know how much it'll bug Utah to have to face Option teams again. (The Utes historically had a hard time with Air Force.) OH GOD, Not the Option! Do we WANT no player to come play for us? Riley could get decent recruits because he ran a pro style offense and sent QB's to the NFL (Derek Anderson, Sean Mannion, Matt Moore) we didn't get the top guys but we got some good players who could find roster spots. We tried the Spread Option and here's what it costs you, QB's and Receiver recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Though, for argument sake, what kind of QB/WR recruits are they getting, I dont know enough about the West Coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Here's an interesting article in the wake of the Gary Anderson departure: Now is the perfect time for Oregon State to find a new identity by running the option I'm kind of in favor of it just because I know how much it'll bug Utah to have to face Option teams again. (The Utes historically had a hard time with Air Force.) I love the option which would be a vote from me, but I doubt it'd work there. (NFL teams only care about passing, so it'll hurt in that respect) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 For reference's sake, I will point out that Demaryius Thomas, a top-line NFL wide receiver, played at Georgia Tech, which has run the option for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Tangentially related to this is the locally infamous story that ESPN talking head slagged off on U of Washington last weekend ... the "you should be grateful to us" phrase was used, and that never, ever plays well. It's up there with "Let them eat cake." AFAICT, no two games of Washington football this year will have the same kickoff time. This is strictly for TV reasons. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Yeah, BYU football's raison d'être right now is TV money, especially E$PN. With no conference affiliation and little to no ability to bring decent teams into Provo in October and November on their own, E$PN is effectively BYU's pimp right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Presented without comment: North Carolina escapes NCAA punishment after years-long academic scandal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 North Carolina escapes NCAA punishment after years-long academic scandal NC Men's Basketball sells more stuff than any other program in the sport, with arch-rivals Duke a close second. Naturally that did not enter into the decision at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Foregone conclusion. This complaint was only about liberties taken with academic bullstuff. Nothing important like money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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