phoenix240 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Are their any guidelines for converting Mutants and Masterminds 3rd edition characters to Hero 5th edition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 No guidelines exist that I am aware of but this fan converted hundreds of M&M characters to HERO on this rpgnet thread. https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?795281-HERO-Some-conversions-from-other-systems HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted July 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Thanks, but I was hoping to find some guidelines to help with porting some of the Acts of Villainy characters over to Hero System. There's some fun characters there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 I think that conversion schemes are only so good. It is far better to eyeball the character, check out its power set and then build it from scratch. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted July 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 I think that conversion schemes are only so good. It is far better to eyeball the character, check out its power set and then build it from scratch. Doc I don't disagree I just find it easier to have some conversion guidelines to give me a rough outline to fine tune than just staright up build the concept whole cloth when dealing with system conversions. Especially since some write ups are little sketchy when dealing with the details. So I was hoping there might be at least some general guidelines or suggestions around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 pretty much Strength is the only characteristic that has a direct relationship between systemsthere was a chart done for the not done version of 3rd or 4th ed Star Hero that has Strength/Blast as joules of energyGot it in hard copy only somewhere in my collection of stuffeverything else you need to know 1 system really good and the other ok to convertone thing you can do is compare power levelsChampions standard super hero= 400pts and 6-14dcM&M standard super hero 150 pts power level 10so look at the top end of each a champions 14d6 mind control will be around a level 20 in M&M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorkca Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I just did a google search and found this Champions-M-M-Conversion Its converting from Hero to M&M but you should be able to reverse engineer it too... There were other links but most were archived beyond my ability to retrieve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Thanks! My google attempts turned up bumpkis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted July 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Affliction is interesting to convert. Its such a broad power seems like it represents sfx that would be anything from EB to entangle to Mind Control to Transform in Hero System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Thanks, but I was hoping to find some guidelines to help with porting some of the Acts of Villainy characters over to Hero System. There's some fun characters there. Thanks, Pheonix! It's nice to hear when folks enjoy my supervillains. I've been tweaking a few and may release some for Hero in the semi-near future. When converting, I multiply the base numbers by 2.67 to get a rough point estimate budget before creating the characters. Then, when looking at powers, I work on a 1:5 ratio (using Damage vs. Blast as an estimate). I do agree with Doc, though, and think it's always better to model the character without worrying about points. This also allows you to gauge them well in comparison to your heroes. Just out of curiosity, which ones are you planning on using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Thanks, Phoenix! It's nice to hear when folks enjoy my supervillains. I've been tweaking a few and may release some for Hero in the semi-near future. When converting, I multiply the base numbers by 2.67 to get a rough point estimate budget before creating the characters. Then, when looking at powers, I work on a 1:5 ratio (using Damage vs. Blast as an estimate). I do agree with Doc, though, and think it's always better to model the character without worrying about points. This also allows you to gauge them well in comparison to your heroes. Just out of curiosity, which ones are you planning on using? Hello Right now I was looking at the Road Crew (Road Kill, Road Rash Road Rage). Sister Shade and Killswitch. And I plan to check out the Nefarious Nine and a few others shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hello Right now I was looking at the Road Crew (Road Kill, Road Rash Road Rage). Sister Shade and Killswitch. And I plan to check out the Nefarious Nine and a few others shortly. Excellent choices. In some of the home games, they've been a pain for the heroes. I'm not sure if I want to start from the beginning with Champions conversions, or if it'll be a smattering when they come out. Still might be a bit though... I'm looking at formats and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Affliction is interesting to convert. Its such a broad power seems like it represents sfx that would be anything from EB to entangle to Mind Control to Transform in Hero System. I had originally looked at creating a power that mimics what Affliction does in Hero, but realized very quickly that it'd make no sense for the same reasons you cited. I wouldn't worry about tight conversions when doing your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 7/31/2017 at 3:53 PM, Sketchpad said: Thanks, Pheonix! It's nice to hear when folks enjoy my supervillains. I've been tweaking a few and may release some for Hero in the semi-near future. When converting, I multiply the base numbers by 2.67 to get a rough point estimate budget before creating the characters. Then, when looking at powers, I work on a 1:5 ratio (using Damage vs. Blast as an estimate). I do agree with Doc, though, and think it's always better to model the character without worrying about points. This also allows you to gauge them well in comparison to your heroes. Just out of curiosity, which ones are you planning on using? How would you suggest converting Defenses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 DCV is an average of Dodge and Parry, while Will is DECV. Toughness gives you a rough estimate of how much damage a character should be able to take. So Toughness 10 might translate to 20rPD/rED. In all honesty, I would skip the direct conversion and work more on creating the concept with M&M stats acting as a blueprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I agree with Sketchpad. The systems are too diverse. Much better to get a working version based off of that better fits within your campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yeah. My friend and I ran a multiverse scenario when we went away as a group for a gaming weekend. We had six heroes, two from each of the core teams presented in Champions, Silver Age Sentinels and Mutants and Masterminds. Rather than convert the characters we re-imagined each one for each system. It was less a process of taking an M&M character and working it through a conversion process than looking at the power descriptions and looking to get the right power levels and the right kind of powerset using the ruleset for the world in question. The idea was that, for example, one friend would run Defender under HERO, as re-imagined for M&M and as re-imagined for SAS. It was supposed to be like the DC multiverse, so while Defender was ostensibly the same character the relative power level compared with other characters and actual powers might vary, we also varied the names we used for characters from different worlds. So Defender would be Defender playing in the HERO world, The Shield in SAS world and Guardian in M&M world. It was an interesting exercise. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Doc, that sounds much like games we used to play back in the mid-80s. At first we tried to do mechanical conversions using some of the documentation that hit magazines and such, but characters never converted properly. So we started working off the concept and using the other stats to eyeball where they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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