Badger Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Football players (Aaron Hernandez excepted) have this amazing knack for skating away from their misdeeds. People just seem to keep giving them slack when they run afoul of the law, provided they don't "impact the shield". Kapernick, however, turned out to be "bad PR" among the sorts of fans who root for a football team like it's an army and an army like it's a football team. So naturally he is shunned, and I'm surprised the semi-paranoid Roger Goodell didn't suspend him last year. I agree to a point on the PR thing with Kaepernick. But, to a larger part, as someone whose father served in the Marines, I was taught to respect the flag/anthem. And respect is standing for a national anthem if you are able to stand. While I might support his right to free speech, that is the only thing I can give him in this regard. And due to my dad's service, and my mom's brothers (all 4 of her brothers served in WW2), it is asking a lot for me not to see it as an affront to country and family. I don't think I am one of those "uber-patriots" but yeah, you stand up for that. So, yeah, I would "shun" him personally as you say. Due to my own experiences, this is my conclusion, I would hope people would think through and draw their own conclusions (though I have very little faith most on both sides do) Having said all that, Kapernick probably should get another chance. But, he is a sometimes good, but often inconsistent QB. Essentially, if you are great, you can do anything I still get a contract. The more marginal you go, the less baggage you can afford to have. So, while his misdeeds are much less than many others. It is ultimately a performance vs baggage scale. And if the latter holds heavier, you are out of luck. The owners apparently just have deemed his antics more trouble than his talent is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Third time you've mentioned this. Third time I'll counter with my father and his brothers all served. They are all grade A-1 assholes who never fought for our country. My Grandfather and Uncle who actually did never seemed to get as bent out of shape over such things as those who didn't. So that's where my personal anecdote is born from. Safe to say I disagree with you. But I can see your point Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Yeah, I know I've mentioned it, and I dont think Michael intended it the way I immediately took it. I realize I get kneejerked on this issue, something about Michael's wording got the reflex working. (I guess the whole for the army like its a football team, I guess I took as a stereotyping though I can point to people who are somewhat like that). For my dad's part, who takes a look of disgust at the mention of Kaepernick, and refuses to talk about it. Cant really ask my mom's brothers since they are all dead (last in 2004, I think it was). In general, most vets I know (whether in combat or not) seem to be in my dad's camp with reaction. I have to admit, I get bent oout of shape in the familial ties area, and speak before thinking. Which will likely happen again at some point. In any case, next time I'll try to invoke former baseball player Rick Monday, if I get rankled over Kaepernick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 While I support Kaepernick's right to protest, I have mentioned earlier in this thread that choosing a mode of protest that is guaranteed to alienate 43% of the population as well as one's employer is... stupid. At best all he did was polarize the debate and commit career seppuku. Grailknight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 While I support Kaepernick's right to protest, I have mentioned earlier in this thread that choosing a mode of protest that is guaranteed to alienate 43% of the population as well as one's employer is... stupid. At best all he did was polarize the debate and commit career seppuku. Yeah, kind of what I have mentioned at times (though I tend to fail in eloquency in general) TOm Brady or Matt Ryan or Russell Wilson, etc. could actually do this, and while take flak for it, not ultimately be hurt career-wise. If you are fighting Blaine Gabbert for the top job on the 2nd worst team in the league, not as rosy. On one hand, in the short-term it might have insured his employment. Well, not as much as keeping quiet, period, of course. But, if he was going to cause some type of trouble, at least for 2016-17. Because with these type of things, while 43 percent of fans might want him gone ASAP. Could you imagine the stink generated by a different 43 percent or so for daring to release him so quickly after "he merely voiced his beliefs". In a lot of ways the 49ers were in a Kobayashi Maru on this. (and in a similar vein, probably the reason Goodell didn't do anything, for good or ill) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Great news, everybody! Aaron Hernandez isn't a convicted murderer anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 That's a reasonably common event. Doesn't matter so much these days, especially in the US. In English law, a felony conviction could cause "corruption of the blood" and cause serious adverse consequences for the family of a deceased felon. It was a big enough problem (a common abuse by the Crown) that the Founding Fathers explicitly put a prohibition of it into the Constitution. I would have to ask my non-practicing lawyer wife to be sure, but it does have the effect that fines not yet paid by the deceased at the time of his death no longer hold, so any estate left behind doesn't have to pay them, which could be a mercy for the presumably innocent heirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Tangentially about football, Kathy Berman, wife of ESPN longtime host Chris dies in car accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 TOM BRADY'S CAREER IS OVER: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 That's what I was thinking. Good Bye ACL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Dont try to cheer me up (though I wouldnt wish a torn ACL on anyone) Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Commish pulled some strings in hopes of not having to hand him the trophy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 If he survived being drafted on my husband's fantasy football team, he can survive this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I remember when being called GOAT was a bad thing. Burrito Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Well, it is being applied to Tom Brady.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I remember when being called GOAT was a bad thing. True. but then they call neat things sick, good things bad, bad things great, and insult people by offering them sex. there's a reason our species is constantly on the brink of killing itself. Burrito Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Cortez Kennedy, Pro Football Hall of Fame DT, who was with Seattle for all of his 11-year career (1990-2000), was found dead in his home in Orlando. Cause of death not yet known, but foul play is not suspected. He was 48 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 According to tonight's paper: They want to shorten OT, isn't it easy enough to get a tie since they altered sudden death? And loosing up celebrations? Oh dear Lord, why? Isnt dancing after scoring a TD when down 4 scores in the 4th annoying enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 25, 2017 Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 Because some people like fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Because some people like fun. I agree to an extent. But, I don't see how losing by 3 TDs is more fun than losing by 4. If it is close, I don't mind it too much, within reason (Terrell Owens, the guy who wanted to be called by his number in Spanish, cough). They seem to take it to ridiculous levels even with the "restraints", as it is, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 The way I see it, most of these guys are going to have very short playing careers followed by a lifetime of debilitating injuries to both body and mind. Too many of them are going to die young. So I say, what's the harm in letting them celebrate while they can? Enforcer84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyAppleseed098 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 I agree to an extent. But, I don't see how losing by 3 TDs is more fun than losing by 4. If it is close, I don't mind it too much, within reason (Terrell Owens, the guy who wanted to be called by his number in Spanish, cough). They seem to take it to ridiculous levels even with the "restraints", as it is, though I believe you might have gotten TO mixed up with Chad Johnson, who literally renamed himself Chad Ochocinco. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 The top scoring team last season averaged 2.6 TDs per game. TDs per game are rare, TDs per player are rarer still. That said, I don't necessarily need to see endsone celebrations. I like Lambeau Leaps and high fives. Dance routines, not so much. But perhaps they'll surprise me this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 I agree to an extent. But, I don't see how losing by 3 TDs is more fun than losing by 4. If it is close, I don't mind it too much, within reason (Terrell Owens, the guy who wanted to be called by his number in Spanish, cough). They seem to take it to ridiculous levels even with the "restraints", as it is, though Fun is never ridiculous. Fun is ALWAYS ridiculous. if watching them have fun playing a game for a living it not for you, it's not for you. And that's fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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