Hermit Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 I've no doubt his chances of getting elected just went up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 (edited) I'm watching coverage now. I'm going to say this: He played it well. He raised his fist after, and looked like he was mouthing "fight, fight!." That's going to play very well with his base. Edited July 13 by Pattern Ghost Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 13 Report Share Posted July 13 I'm just surprised it took this long for the shooting to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 Some MAGA cultist is going to see this as meaning Biden is fair game I fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 Yeah, I'm afraid this may have just turned into a shooting election. We don't need those. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." Revelation 13:3 Joking, obviously. Hermit and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 This was inevitable. There is no way this is going to be a normal boring election with no shooting and a clear winner. The stakes are too high. MrWolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 Biden's response was about as good as it gets. Put out messaging, then got in front of a camera pretty fast, and suspending campaign activities in reaction to try to emphasize de-politicizing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 Trump was hit in the ear. Gunman killed. Unfortunately, a rally attendee was also killed, and 2 others were critically injured. The Justice Department is treating this as an assassination attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, Armitage said: "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." Revelation 13:3 Joking, obviously. Obviously. But if I actually believed in prophecy, I wouldn't be laughing. Too damn many parallels already. TrickstaPriest and Pattern Ghost 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 6 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Obviously. But if I actually believed in prophecy, I wouldn't be laughing. Too damn many parallels already. Oh, evangelical trumpers are going to say this proves God is protecting and guiding Trump to keep him safe. I'm gonna use that verse to shut em up if the don't wind down on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 Part of the ongoing comments about the incident from NYT: Quote Robert Pape, a political scientist at the University of Chicago who has studied American attitudes toward political violence since the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob, conducted a nationwide poll on the topic last month. It found that 10 percent of those surveyed said that the “use of force is justified to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president.” A third of those who gave that answer also said they owned a gun. Seven percent of those surveyed said they “support force to restore Trump to the presidency.” Half of them said they owned guns. The shooting at Mr. Trump’s rally “is a consequence of such significant support for political violence in our country,” Mr. Pape wrote in an email. “Indeed, significant lone wolf attacks motivated by political violence have been growing for years in the United States, against members of Congress from both parties as well as federal officials and national leaders.” Other studies on political violence have also found small but not insignificant numbers of Americans who support the idea of using violence to advance political ideas. In October, the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, published a report that found nearly 14 percent of those surveyed strongly agreed that there would be a civil war in the United States in the next few years. I think most of us here won't be surprised by this, but that doesn't make this support of our opinion comforting. I attended only one presidential campaign rally...not like southern New Mexico is a key stop on the campaign trail. In this case? It was on the NMSU campus, which was pretty much shut down several hours ahead of time, and all buildings with potential LOS were swept and locked tight. Getting onto the field where the rally was...was tedious. And there were lots, and lots, of Secret Service people in and around. This was '96, too...politics was much less confrontational. I can only believe security is generally tighter......and that for the rest of this election season, it'll be insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 One of the most destructive legacies of Donald Trump is undermining Americans' faith in their political institutions. If you believe your government is unjust and corrupt, violence appears to be a legitimate, perhaps necessary course to protect yourself, even to people who would not consider it otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 (edited) The lead story won't be Biden's age for a few days.... Unfortunately, this likely seals the electuon for Trump. He'll campaign on this moment till the end...the raising of his fist while bleeding will be an iconic moment. An unfortunate comparison put next to Biden who often appears frail. Meanwhile, this a catastrophic security failure. There needs to be hearings on how it happened and a clear, bipartisan reason needs to given. Edited July 14 by Starlord Iuz the Evil and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Unfortunately, this likely seals the electuon for Trump. He'll campaign on this moment till the end...the raising of his fist while bleeding will be an iconic moment. An unfortunate comparison put next to Biden who often appears frail. Partly because the Democrats aren't as sleazy as him and won't run ads that say something like "He arrogantly raised his fist in triumph as members of his audience bled and died." Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asperion Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 16 hours ago, Hermit said: I've no doubt his chances of getting elected just went up What, from 10% to 20%? 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 14 Report Share Posted July 14 (edited) What we assume matters to people, may not matter that much to that many people. Edited July 14 by Lord Liaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 DShomshak and Pariah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 Judge dismisses classified documents case against Donald Trump Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 Cannon is a disgrace Pattern Ghost and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 57 minutes ago, Starlord said: Judge dismisses classified documents case against Donald Trump Ha! I was wondering if she'd take advantage of this weekend's distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 Jack Smith can appeal the decision IIRC, but the process will take time. He should have tried to get Cannon removed. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, Starlord said: Judge dismisses classified documents case against Donald Trump Based on a legal argument most experts considered highly dubious, but which was apparently bolstered by an independent ruling by Clarence Thomas. I'm really having to fight the urge to draw a socially-inappropriate analogy to Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 29 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Based on a legal argument most experts considered highly dubious, but which was apparently bolstered by an independent ruling by Clarence Thomas. I'm really having to fight the urge to draw a socially-inappropriate analogy to Thomas. Any accurate analogy for that man is socially inappropriate. Because he is socially inappropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 (edited) ... sadly, this is my cynical lack of surprise. The lengths people will go to defend this man are absolutely mind blowing (to be clear, Trump). Edited July 15 by MrWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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