Lord Liaden Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Weeelll... while that's definitely possible, there are other explanations. One likely explanation is that Trump is lying, trying to drum up more outrage from his base to fuel their willingness to donate to his "defense." Another is that those passports were diplomatic documents from Trump's time as President, and therefore legally belong in the government's presidential archives. But Old Man's assumption is very plausible, and shared by many in all media. If the FBI deliberately confiscated Trump's passports to keep him from fleeing, that would suggest the federal investigation into his activities is close to laying serious charges. Joe Walsh and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 On 8/14/2022 at 11:43 PM, unclevlad said: Worse than Texas? Cuz...that's saying something....... I think so. If I had to pick to save two drowning senators and one of them was Ted Cruz, and the other was Rand Paul, I would pick Ted Cruz every time. CES I'm with Tom. Personally I think the Republicans should have let Trump get kicked out of office when he was getting impeached. Now they are facing years of him being in court, standing trial, having problems, making problems for them. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, csyphrett said: I think so. If I had to pick to save two drowning senators and one of them was Ted Cruz, and the other was Rand Paul, I would pick Ted Cruz every time. CES If I was drowning along with Cruz and Paul, I would pick Cruz. He looks like he'd make a better flotation device. 30 minutes ago, csyphrett said: I'm with Tom. Personally I think the Republicans should have let Trump get kicked out of office when he was getting impeached. Now they are facing years of him being in court, standing trial, having problems, making problems for them. CES Arrogance. Mitch McConnell believed he could use Trump, that he could ride the wave Donnie kicked up. Now it's threatening to drown his whole party. McConnell has played politics at the highest level for a long time, he's used to using people to get what he wants. But Trumpian politics is like nothing Mitch or the United States has seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 2 hours ago, csyphrett said: I think so. If I had to pick to save two drowning senators and one of them was Ted Cruz, and the other was Rand Paul, I would pick Ted Cruz every time. I'd have an uncharacteristic bout of indecisiveness. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: I'd have an uncharacteristic bout of indecisiveness. If I had to pick one, I would pick the one that doesn't seem intently aggressive about causing harm over someone who does. I admit that if picking one wasn't a condition, that would be another ball game. I can't claim to be good. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 Between those two, where's that meteor? Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 AMPAS Apologizes To Sacheen Littlefeather Cygnia and Starlord 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Not surprisingly, Liz Cheney lost the Republican primary in Wyoming. By a LOT. Race called by AP with a quarter of the votes in. At this point it's about 60-40 against her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 On 8/15/2022 at 10:46 PM, Lord Liaden said: Weeelll... while that's definitely possible, there are other explanations. One likely explanation is that Trump is lying, trying to drum up more outrage from his base to fuel their willingness to donate to his "defense." Another is that those passports were diplomatic documents from Trump's time as President, and therefore legally belong in the government's presidential archives. But Old Man's assumption is very plausible, and shared by many in all media. If the FBI deliberately confiscated Trump's passports to keep him from fleeing, that would suggest the federal investigation into his activities is close to laying serious charges. The FBI has returned the passports. I have not seen an explanation for why they were taken in the first place. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, IndianaJoe3 said: The FBI has returned the passports. I have not seen an explanation for why they were taken in the first place. the warrant said to recover government documents. passports are government documents Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cowan Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 12 hours ago, dmjalund said: the warrant said to recover government documents. passports are government documents and the warrant said grab boxes with the docs where in too. so if you toss all your stuff on the floor and have the little people clean up after you... TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 12 hours ago, unclevlad said: Not surprisingly, Liz Cheney lost the Republican primary in Wyoming. By a LOT. Race called by AP with a quarter of the votes in. At this point it's about 60-40 against her. And now all the Trumplodytes are rubbing her face in it in social media. Strictly middle school stuff. That floozie from Georgia went so far as to say that Cheney's defeat was a victory for all Americans who love liberty, regardless of party. As far as I'm concerned, all of these comments really say more about Donald Trump and his supporters than they say about Liz Cheney. I also saw an article yesterday suggesting that Cheney already has her next move in mind, that she's too smart to have said and done all that she did without an exit strategy. Maybe the 2024 Republican Presidential race? I'd vote for her over ... well, pretty much anyone else the GOP could toss in the ring right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Pariah said: I also saw an article yesterday suggesting that Cheney already has her next move in mind, that she's too smart to have said and done all that she did without an exit strategy. Maybe the 2024 Republican Presidential race? I'd vote for her over ... well, pretty much anyone else the GOP could toss in the ring right now. Well, yeah. But let's be honest here...if Trump wants the nomination in '24, he'll be the prohibitive front-runner...and may well run with very little opposition. Even if he doesn't, in a general primary season...how many states would Cheney potentially carry? How many states would she get *crushed* in? No Trumpist is going to vote for her. I was kinda thinking about it...the Lincoln Project, perhaps? It's too early for her to try to run as a 3rd-party conservative independent...but laying the groundwork to grow a New Conservative Party? That I could see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 https://www.newstatesman.com/quickfire/2022/08/salman-rushdie-j-k-rowling-cancel-culture Quote Others have, however, seen an opportunity. Even before Rushdie’s discharge from hospital, he has once again become an emblem of a global cultural debate, with his attack being used as an argument against “cancel culture” and wokeness – turning into a weapon in the free speech culture war debate. These arguments have drawn comparisons with Dave Chapelle and JK Rowling, claiming these figures have been similarly threatened for their views; some have even harked back to Chris Rock getting slapped by Will Smith at the Oscars (ie, a man who was “physically attacked on stage because someone was offended by something they have said”). For anyone with a sense of reality – and proportion – it’s easy to find these comparisons ridiculous, even laughable. But beyond being breathtakingly unserious, these arguments are a potentially dangerous means through which columnists can boorishly shoehorn in their own interests, vulgarly using Rushdie as a political pawn in a dark moment of personal crisis. DShomshak and Lawnmower Boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cowan Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Pariah said: And now all the Trumplodytes are rubbing her face in it in social media. Strictly middle school stuff. That floozie from Georgia went so far as to say that Cheney's defeat was a victory for all Americans who love liberty, regardless of party. As far as I'm concerned, all of these comments really say more about Donald Trump and his supporters than they say about Liz Cheney. The point was made to me that Liz Cheney received approximately one-third of the vote. Now, many Democrats claimed they were registering as Republicans to vote in the primaries, so let's be generous and say that only one-quarter of genuine GOP voters supported Cheney. That would mean one in four Republicans in Wyoming voted for the person actively trying to bring Donald Trump to face charges. That may not be as much of a win as Trumpists claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 * Wyoming Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 "I'm done with him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 TrickstaPriest, Ragitsu and pinecone 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Old Man said: * Wyoming Thank you, and corrected. Although from what I can tell, politically it might as well have been Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Could be, though I don't think Montana is quite so thoroughly and completely dominated by the extraction industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Actions have consequences. Who knew? Certainly not this guy. TrickstaPriest, Cygnia, Pariah and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, wcw43921 said: Actions have consequences. Who knew? Certainly not this guy. That's what takes these bills from Misplaced Morality to Reckless Ideological Blindness. I get the quasi-moral position...when does "life" start? But there can be outside, serious issues. This is one, and IMO the absolute, first one: medical necessity. The lack of it shows, IMO, that the real goal is to punish sexual activity outside of marriage, and consequences be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 hours ago, wcw43921 said: Actions have consequences. Who knew? Certainly not this guy. Mr Collins learns that Holy Dogma results in real harm to real people, and he decides real people matter more? His political career is over. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Ex-Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg pleads guilty to multiple charges of tax fraud. As part of the plea agreement, Weisselberg agreed to testify in the tax fraud trial of the Trump Organization. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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