BoloOfEarth Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, csyphrett said: Wilbur Ross said the 800k people affected by the shutdown really isn't that much and they should just get loans until they can go back to work. So, in addition to having possible late fees for payments that didn't get made in time, they may also have to pay interest on loans. Sure, some credit unions are offering interest-free loans to federal workers... but what if you don't bank at one of those credit unions? Some banks (like JP Morgan Chase) don't even offer personal loans - guess it sucks to be you if one of those is your bank of choice. All for the sake of political theater. Thanks, Trumplestiltskin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 The shutdown isn’t theater. The wall debate is the theater. Sabotaging the government via shutdown is the point. Remember, this is the party that literally swears fealty to a man who wants to “drown government in a bathtub”. The shutdown will end when it actually begins to impact the bottom lines of multinational corporations. Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Old Man said: The shutdown isn’t theater. The wall debate is the theater. Sabotaging the government via shutdown is the point. Remember, this is the party that literally swears fealty to a man who wants to “drown government in a bathtub”. The shutdown will end when it actually begins to impact the bottom lines of multinational corporations. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Neither bill passed the senate to be compiled with the house to go to Trump to sign. Repubs mostly voted with the wall. Dems voted mostly no wall. A few voted for both and two Repubs voted no on both. Also if you can find the tweet from Cspan where Jeff Bennet is tearing Ted Cruz a new one, you should look at it. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Is it only here that it is reported that Mr Trump said that grocery stores would work with federal workers and not charge them for food because "that is how it works"? Is it not noteworthy that that kind of statement by the President is no longer noteworthy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Doc Democracy said: Is it only here that it is reported that Mr Trump said that grocery stores would work with federal workers and not charge them for food because "that is how it works"? Is it not noteworthy that that kind of statement by the President is no longer noteworthy?? So, by that thinking, federal workers should be able to go to any Trump hotel or restaurant and get free lodging and food, right? Because "that's how it works." I'd love to see a bunch of federal workers try to get free eats at one of his restaurants. I'll bet that would go over well. Tom Cowan and Doc Shadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Thought it was interesting that the Dem plan received slightly more votes than the Rep plan in a Rep-controlled Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, BoloOfEarth said: So, by that thinking, federal workers should be able to go to any Trump hotel or restaurant and get free lodging and food, right? Because "that's how it works." I'd love to see a bunch of federal workers try to get free eats at one of his restaurants. I'll bet that would go over well. This is a symptom of the same mindset as behind Wilbur Ross's comment that federal workers should take out loans. These are people who have been privileged all their lives, and have no experience or comprehension of what's demanded of people who have to work to survive. Doc Shadow, Iuz the Evil and Pariah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: This is a symptom of the same mindset as behind Wilbur Ross's comment that federal workers should take out loans. These are people who have been privileged all their lives, and have no experience or comprehension of what's demanded of people who have to work to survive. Yup. It's interesting how profoundly tone deaf to reality folks like Ross are. He's hardly alone in that, but he's one of those we have on footage of pretty much showing his ignorance of how the brittle class is forced to live. And the comments about 800,000 people don't matter? Dude, we have states with fewer people than that. TrickstaPriest and Doc Shadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BoloOfEarth said: So, by that thinking, federal workers should be able to go to any Trump hotel or restaurant and get free lodging and food, right? Because "that's how it works." I'd love to see a bunch of federal workers try to get free eats at one of his restaurants. I'll bet that would go over well. Doc Shadow and Iuz the Evil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Hermit said: Yup. It's interesting how profoundly tone deaf to reality folks like Ross are. He's hardly alone in that, but he's one of those we have on footage of pretty much showing his ignorance of how the brittle class is forced to live. And the comments about 800,000 people don't matter? Dude, we have states with fewer people than that. I thought this quantifying of 800k people only in terms of economic impact was really telling. He cited them in relation to GDP as a percentage that "doesn't matter". Yikes. That's going to get heavy rotation (and it should). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Air Traffic Controllers say risks are rising due staffing and stress issues Also, breaking from CNN: Breaking: Air traffic delayed at LaGuardia, Philadelphia, and Newark Airports due to staffing issues at an FAA regional air traffic control center, according to FAA. Air Traffic union leader tells us this is a direct result of shutdown @CNNnewsroom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Yesterday, All Things Considered interviewed two groups of prison guards who aren't getting paid due to the shutdown. Some highlights: * Mockery from the inmates came as no surprise to them. * Noted that inmates working sub-minimum wage prison jobs are still getting paid. * Many bribe attempts from inmates, promising that money can be given in return for smuggling in cigarettes... drugs,,, cell phones... guns. * Even in this small number, they knew a fellow guard who attempted suicide over this. (He survived.) * They are all extremely angry at being used as political pawns. Or hostages. Some to the point of tears, and I don't see prison guards as delicate flowers. It's horrible to say so, but if the guards at a prison quit en masse and walked out -- leaving all the doors unlocked behind them -- I could not find it in my heart to condemn them. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Looks like Trump will sign a 3 week temp opening without wall funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 TRUMP has saved us! From.. .Trump sort of..maybe...for a bit okay, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 There is still time for him to change his mind CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Man, that speech was some amazing invasion fear mongering. I thought he was going to end with - TODAY, IS OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, csyphrett said: There is still time for him to change his mind CES He hasn't seen/heard the reaction from the conservative pundits yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Roger Stone arrested today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: He hasn't seen/heard the reaction from the conservative pundits yet. Hopefully he got permission from Coulter and Limbaugh before he went out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: He hasn't seen/heard the reaction from the conservative pundits yet. It's going to be ugly. Trump folded like a cheap suit. I'd expect him to do something else unspeakably cruel next week in order to appease them, like kidnap migrant children and throw them into concentration camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Looks like Trump will sign a 3 week temp opening without wall funds. So, five weeks off, three weeks on, then what, another five weeks off? 16 minutes ago, Old Man said: I'd expect him to do something else unspeakably cruel next week in order to appease them, like kidnap migrant children and throw them into concentration camps. That's so last April. Surely he can come up with something original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Cygnia said: A radio station should have totally made that call and aired it live. I'm surprised nobody did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Hopefully he got permission from Coulter and Limbaugh before he went out there. Coulter said he was wimpier than George HW Bush CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 55 minutes ago, Old Man said: It's going to be ugly. Trump folded like a cheap suit. I'd expect him to do something else unspeakably cruel next week in order to appease them, like kidnap migrant children and throw them into concentration camps. I suspect Trump's bargaining position has been permanently damaged by this turn of events. He's demonstrated that his bluster and threats are mostly bluff and show, and if he's firmly called on them he won't pull the trigger. We all suspected that, of course, but now it's obvious. What I'm waiting for now is the reaction of his base of support. Will this be enough for them to finally start abandoning him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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