Old Man Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 GHWB was eyebrow deep in Iran-Contra and avoided being implicated in it by pardoning everyone involved. He also increased the national debt in four years almost as much as Reagan increased it in eight. But yes, he was one of the better GOP presidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 In the aftermath of the Gulf War, GHWB lifted the no-fly zone in Iraq just long enough for Saddam to send in helicopter to slaughter the civilian uprising in Baghdad which was threatening to topple him from power. As soon as the helicopters did their job, GHWB reinstated the no-fly zone. So I'd rank GHWB somewhere below Nixon in my list of "best GOP presidents". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 We’ve certainly come so far from the likes of Eisenhower, Roosevelt, and Lincoln that I consider the current GOP to be a different party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 There is language in Michael Cohen’s plea deal that gives Mueller the right to describe Cohen’s (and his conspirators’) criminal activities at length and in detail during Cohen’s sentencing on December 12. If there was ever a day when C-SPAN was a must-watch, that might be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 If only the right people cared.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Old Man said: There is language in Michael Cohen’s plea deal that gives Mueller the right to describe Cohen’s (and his conspirators’) criminal activities at length and in detail during Cohen’s sentencing on December 12. If there was ever a day when C-SPAN was a must-watch, that might be it. The cool thing about criminal sentencing court documents, is that they are public record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 I have read the theory advanced by some that, more so than any final report, Mueller will make the case against Trump via "speaking indictments" against other parties. That is, detailed public criminal indictments against other parties, which typically refer to Trump as "Individual-1", will tend to incriminate Trump and implicate him in the charged conspiracy. If there's an underlying crime or crimes to be covered up, then the obstruction of justice case against the President is likely to be overwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 So.... on an amusing aside, I've been binge-watching episodes of Lois and Clark: The Adventures of Superman. I just watched the episode "Meet John Doe" where Tempus (evil supervillain from the future) uses subliminal control to get elected President. During his acceptance speech, he says, "My greatest hope is that the former supporters of President Garner will join with me in making this country great again." Makes me wonder where Trump gets his ideas. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Not a new opinion piece, but i found it interesting https://www.opendemocracy.net/michael-j-sandel/populism-trump-and-future-of-democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Hermit said: Not a new opinion piece, but i found it interesting https://www.opendemocracy.net/michael-j-sandel/populism-trump-and-future-of-democracy Good read. There's also a response from a UK political philosopher, linked at the bottom, also worth a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 On 11/22/2018 at 8:06 AM, Lord Liaden said: I've heard several journalists muse that they might have gone overboard in trying to be "balanced" in their coverage of both candidates during the last presidential election. With all the things Trump had said and done constantly making the news, they felt pressure to keep returning to the Clinton email issue so they wouldn't be accused of biased reporting. But in doing so they might have created a false equivalency between that and Trump's antics in the minds of the electorate. I'll bet that they weren't Fox News journalists you heard from ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Not much needs to be added to this one... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/us/politics/trump-mueller-lying.html?rref=collection%2Fbyline%2Fsharon-lafraniere&action=click&contentCollection=undefined&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 They're not 'lies', they're 'alternate facts'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 To update the phrase, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and Trump statements." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Interesting exploration of the question, In the Age of Trump, Can Scandal Still Sink a Politician? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 As long as people have the mindset of "I'd rather vote for a liar and a cheat and an adulterer than a Democrat", probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 People are depressingly good at rationalizing the abandonment of their claimed beliefs. Lord Liaden, archer and TrickstaPriest 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 I think scandal can destroy a candidacy; re-election is easier than winning the first time. The voters are less invested in you before you win. It's also somewhat easier to lose in a primary as an incumbent, rather than lose in the general. And avoid video!!! If it's just talk, you'll survive a lot more often. The greatest casualty of the Trump presidency has been Truth, but Truth with Pictures??? That's tougher to slough off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Hermit said: People are depressingly good at rationalizing the abandonment of their claimed beliefs. I've heard a number of people who voted for Donald Trump claim that policy trumps (pardon me) a candidate's character. They don't seem to consider that character informs how, and even whether, a leader will follow through on a stated policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shadow Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 Why the last person I want as Speaker of the House is Nancy Pelosi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 Rudy Guiliani accidentally creates a link in one of his tweets It get put to good use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 Anyone other than the President of the United States ranting on Twitter the way Trump does, would have been banned years ago. But as usual, those who complain the most about "unfairness" only do so when it's against themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 7, 2018 Report Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Ranxerox said: Rudy Guiliani accidentally creates a link in one of his tweets It get put to good use. So is Giuliani trying to make lemonade, trading on his "I'm a security EXPERT!!!" to sell this, or is he just a complete, utter MORON? Willful ignorance or malicious misrepresentation? Or both. I avoid Twitter almost 100%. Not quite; I sometimes like to make snarky comments during Poker After Dark streams. But that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 So last Friday's development came not from Mueller, but from SDNY's sentencing recommendation for Cohen, and had little to do with Russia. In it, it explains that Cohen paid off Stormy for the express purpose of influencing the campaign, using his own HELOC, and was reimbursed from campaign funds through a shell company, all with the direction, knowledge, and involvement of Individual 1. This directly implicates Individual 1 in felony money laundering, fraud, and campaign finance violations, all of which are grounds for jail let alone mere impeachment. Stay tuned for Manafort's sentencing hearing on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Brexit, My Precious! pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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