csyphrett Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 The USA Today is reporting that Trump wants to build more nukes. I guess that's okay CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Precisely. Unless of course he wants to use them against NATO. On the plus side it might improve relations with Russia and China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I don't think we should build more nukes until we've used all the ones we already have. Fair's fair.... some of those poor things have been sitting idle waiting for their big moment for fifty years. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 If the nukes are intended for a counter-force strategy, then new ones could have a much lower yield due to dramatic improvements in targeting technologies. Generally, though, the creation of new nightmares seems like a terrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I'm just trying to figure out how Trump intends to use nukes against ISIS. Without, y'know, killing tens of thousands of innocents and spreading radioactive fallout all over the place Personally, I wonder if the push for more nukes is just a variation on the "War is Good for the Economy" mindset. And if so, did these people learn nothing from Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I'm just trying to figure out how Trump intends to use nukes against ISIS. Without, y'know, killing tens of thousands of innocents and spreading radioactive fallout all over the place I'm not sure that second sentence really factors into his analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 If he did nuke ISIS, he would create militant archaeologists who would target him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 I'd really rather Trump pick up a weapon and go deal with ISIS in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 War... War never changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 War... War never changes. But, you're not counting the change towards more effective means of racking up body counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 Does Carl Icahn (sp?) seem out of place with the rest of the pirates and general bandits that Trump has picked to lead his admin. Did he get picked because Trump knew him, or because he advised Apple? Will he moderate the general intentions of the others? CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lectryk Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 From this article - http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/23/trump-regulatory-advisor-icahn-may-have-conflict-ethics-lawyer.html he seems to fit right in with your description of Trump's picks. To be fair, there have been questions raised for a long time about mandating and subsidizing use of ethanol as an extender for fuel, so there may be an actual set business reasoning behind his effort, beyond his personal profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted December 24, 2016 Report Share Posted December 24, 2016 I'm just trying to figure out how Trump intends to use nukes against ISIS. Without, y'know, killing tens of thousands of innocents and spreading radioactive fallout all over the place Personally, I wonder if the push for more nukes is just a variation on the "War is Good for the Economy" mindset. And if so, did these people learn nothing from Iraq? The alt-right has a different definition of "innocent people" than most folks who are, you know, sane. A definition that is not all that inclusive. They bring to mind what Fred Rogers told his audiences about "scary mad wishes" -- intrusive, terrible thoughts children and adults get that feature intensively destructive things towards people (especially loved ones). He reassured the children who were watching that thoughts are not actions. Just because you have a terrible thought doesn't mean it's automatically going to happen, and it doesn't make you a horrible person. You are only a terrible person if you act on those ideas. That's why actors who play villains are usually not villains themselves, why a writer of horror stories can still be a decent and ethical person, and how a person who foresees a terrible future can act to prevent it. Throughout this campaign cycle, and probably for the next four years, I will be wrestling with the notion that many of the intrusive thoughts I have are shared with powerful people who can act upon them. In my case, the intrusion is disordered and does not at all reflect my actual values. I hate them, and hate myself for having them, but will usually act in the complete opposite direction. The problem is that there are people in positions of power who think many of the same things and do not consider them intrusive at all. And that scares me. It really does. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 I'm just trying to figure out how Trump intends to use nukes against ISIS. Without, y'know, killing tens of thousands of innocents and spreading radioactive fallout all over the place Personally, I wonder if the push for more nukes is just a variation on the "War is Good for the Economy" mindset. And if so, did these people learn nothing from Iraq? Well Nuke winter counters Global warming, And it makes the world safe for rich folks...win/win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter#Nuclear_summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 The alt-right has a different definition of "innocent people" than most folks who are, you know, sane. A definition that is not all that inclusive. They bring to mind what Fred Rogers told his audiences about "scary mad wishes" -- intrusive, terrible thoughts children and adults get that feature intensively destructive things towards people (especially loved ones). He reassured the children who were watching that thoughts are not actions. Just because you have a terrible thought doesn't mean it's automatically going to happen, and it doesn't make you a horrible person. You are only a terrible person if you act on those ideas. That's why actors who play villains are usually not villains themselves, why a writer of horror stories can still be a decent and ethical person, and how a person who foresees a terrible future can act to prevent it. Throughout this campaign cycle, and probably for the next four years, I will be wrestling with the notion that many of the intrusive thoughts I have are shared with powerful people who can act upon them. In my case, the intrusion is disordered and does not at all reflect my actual values. I hate them, and hate myself for having them, but will usually act in the complete opposite direction. The problem is that there are people in positions of power who think many of the same things and do not consider them intrusive at all. And that scares me. It really does. This political cycle there appears to be a lot of pushback, I hope that has good results for preventing a lot of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted December 27, 2016 Report Share Posted December 27, 2016 Well Nuke winter counters Global warming, And it makes the world safe for rich folks...win/win? Not as safe as they thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Coming in 2017: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Hundreds of people go up that dress every day. I'd be shocked if none of them tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 SOmething that popped in my mind thanks to that picture "In Russia, (Lenin) statue gropes you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 US Senators call for sanctions against Russia over elections hacks "We have to sanction Russia for these cyberattacks (and) send a clear message to the incoming administration that there is a lot of bipartisan support in Congress for going after this," Sen. Amy Klobuchar told The Associated Press by phone from Latvia. Donald Trump dismisses US sanctions threat to Russia "We ought to get on with our lives" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 US Senators call for sanctions against Russia over elections hacks "We have to sanction Russia for these cyberattacks (and) send a clear message to the incoming administration that there is a lot of bipartisan support in Congress for going after this," Sen. Amy Klobuchar told The Associated Press by phone from Latvia. Donald Trump dismisses US sanctions threat to Russia "We ought to get on with our lives" Too much to hope that that's enough to prove collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians. I'd definitely count it as evidence though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Even a scintilla of evidence of collusion would fuel conspiracy theories forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 It's not a conspiracy theory when members of Trump's senior campaign staff had also run Moscow-supported campaigns for Yanukovich, when his advisers worked closely with Russian oil companies, and when Trump himself has been working with Russian investors for years in projects both in and out of Russia. It's a stretch to think that Russia wasn't closely involved in the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 It would help squelch the conspiracy theories if he would just accept the findings and stop sticking to the ridiculous position he's been holding for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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