womble Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Hmm. There's an element of "Not our problem" and "Not even recognising that they need do anything to help fix it" in that pic that isn't necessarily reflected in the general "How do you like being fooled, chumps?" derision that's generally heaped by the anti-Trump upon the Trumpettes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Not going to link the articles but a quick summary: Washington Post: CIA convinced Russia hacked election specifically to get Trump elected; Obama called a meeting of lawmakers to try to put a bipartisan statement together, Dems on board, Republicans balked and Mitch McConnell threatened to accuse Obama of playing partisan politics if he went public with it; coincidentally, Mitch's wife just got named as a potential cabinet secretary NYT: As above, except the reason the CIA was persuaded it was to elect Trump? Because the Russians hacked the RNC too...and sat on those pilfered documents while releasing those of the DNC and the Clinton campaign. (NSFW link--language) https://thenib.com/this-is-not-fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Plan for huge cuts in social security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I hate being right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Rpg.net is concerned that China was reported flying a nuclear bomber over the south china sea close to Taiwan. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Rpg.net is concerned that China was reported flying a nuclear bomber over the south china sea close to Taiwan. CES I left RPG net after the election due the insanity there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is rpg.net concerned that the CIA has found that Russia did influence the election? Or that the president-elect is blowing off that report like he blows off all his intelligence reports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 December 19th could get reeeallly interesting yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is rpg.net concerned that the CIA has found that Russia did influence the election? Or that the president-elect is blowing off that report like he blows off all his intelligence reports?To be fair, it's possible that Trump is blowing it off because it's old information to him. If he wants regular updates on that he can just call his handler. Netzilla and BoloOfEarth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 December 19th could get reeeallly interesting yet. I'm trying really hard to decide whether that would be an improvement or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hope this helps. As far as the snopes end of the convo. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/ After taking a couple of weeks break to get off of my own high horse, thank you. Very informative article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm trying really hard to decide whether that would be an improvement or not. If nothing else, the electoral college might get a push to reform all around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is rpg.net concerned that the CIA has found that Russia did influence the election? Or that the president-elect is blowing off that report like he blows off all his intelligence reports? Oh yeah. Some of them are wondering if this will go to court. If it does, Hillary might be rewarded the race, The problem is a smoking gun is needed. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Also one of the guys did a breakdown of the cabinet, all of the guys nominated are the exact opposite of what you need to run the department they are up to run except for maybe the exxon guy for sect of state. After all he already has ties to most of the countries we are operating in and russia. CES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 You'd need evidence of outright collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign. And you'd need it before the inauguration. After that point, I think it's probably going to be too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 You'd need evidence of outright collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign. And you'd need it before the inauguration. After that point, I think it's probably going to be too late. Won't happen. They would have to trace things back to a specific guy and get a sworn statement. Even if the CIA was that good, they couldn't do it before Jan. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 December 19th could get reeeallly interesting yet. Oh, yes. Electors Request Intelligence Briefing on Russia Election Interference And those stories of Electors still trying to get Romney or Kasich (basically persuade enough R electors to write on of them, and then all the Dems jump on and say "better than Trump"), and that group that popped up and offered to pay the Faithless Elector fees. Of course, in the end, it just makes for mild political theater. Trump will be president, and none of this will stop that. (but then, I never thought trump would win the nomination, and then I never thought he'd win) That said, I still hope one of these "interesting" scenarios play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yup. And Increasingly that "Interesting" is in the Chinese Curse kind of way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I think that in the long term we'd be better off with "interesting". In the short term we'd be looking at complete government paralysis and a devastating economic recession, at minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylwin13 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 There's still time for the Director to run in from behind the camera and yell, "CUT!!" Right? Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 As I said, absent even circumstantial or trace evidence of collusion, Trump will be sworn in and remain president unless and until he does something in office that compels a Republican congress to impeach him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 If anyone is interested, a concise review of the current evidence for Russian hacking of the DNC and Clinton campaign is here. Of course, this was all known prior to the election. Recent statements from the CIA and from Harry Reid suggest there may be more evidence, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 There are 2, maybe 3 correlated issues wrapped up in the Russian hacks. The first, and most obvious one, is the effort to interfere with and tilt the outcome of the election, and what it says about our relationship with Russia going forward. The second is our insecure cyber infrastructure and what we need to do to make it more secure going forward. The last, but not least, is the Trump campaign and its degree of connection to all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I'm trying really hard to decide whether that would be an improvement or not. Well, kidding aside. I find the idea of wanting 38 electoral voters to tell their states' voters to f*** off, quite disturbing. I don't like Trump but if something this disgustingly shady took place, I will be out their with the "crazies" protesting. Note: Now finding something crazy about the Russian influence (highly unlikely though)...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Well, kidding aside. I find the idea of wanting 38 electoral voters to tell their states' voters to f*** off, quite disturbing. I don't like Trump but if something this disgustingly shady took place, I will be out their with the "crazies" protesting. Note: Now finding something crazy about the Russian influence (highly unlikely though)...... I wouldn't consider that shady at all. Disgustingly shady is 38 electoral voters telling the more then two million voters who voted for Hillary, allowing her to win the popular vote to f*** off as they put the person most of the country voted against into office. Andrew_A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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