Lord Liaden Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Several commentators pointed out that expectations would be different for Trump than for Clinton. She's the far more experienced politician, so her debate performance had to be perfect. Trump only had to avoid huge gaffs to be seen as succeeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Trump had to show he's not a raging lunatic and Hillary had to show she's not on death's door in the debate. They both succeeded. Other than that, doesn't move the needle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 If his numbers climb after last night's performance then we're in even deeper trouble than we thought. Forget Watson - we need a panel of political scientists, historians, and supreme court judges sitting around a table with buzzers fact checking in real time. Any time someone says something irrefutably false they get a buzz. Three buzzes and you need to swap out with your running mate for the rest of the debate. Shadow Hawk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I was thinking that Hillary needed to have cards printed with his tweets and quotes. "Here is your tweet dated something something 2006, Donald, where you said you hoped to profit from any housing crisis." That's what it would take. Otherwise he's just going to lie harder, safe in the knowledge that virtually no voter will fact check him later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Trump's core supporters have repeatedly shown they aren't impressed by facts. He says what they feel, which is apparently more important to them. I remain to be convinced that facts would sway enough undecided voters to make the difference. I recommend looking up Stephen Colbert's sketch on "Trumpiness" on YouTube. It identifies this phenomenon surprisingly clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 People generally don't let facts pollute their political beliefs. Trump supporters are just a stark illustration of this phenomena, but not unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 My thinking is that this would win less on facts and more on the kind of "gotcha!" that would actually enable Hillary to win the soundbite battle. Because that's what it would take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 If his numbers climb after last night's performance then we're in even deeper trouble than we thought. Forget Watson - we need a panel of political scientists, historians, and supreme court judges sitting around a table with buzzers fact checking in real time. Any time someone says something irrefutably false they get a buzz. Three buzzes and you need to swap out with your running mate for the rest of the debate. I've got to ask, what happens when Pence and Kaine get 3 buzzes (which should be at about the halfway point of the scheduled debate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 That's when they release the lions into the arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Hillary was sharp, poised and well-prepared. Trump was incoherent, sputtering and sniffing and frequently interrupting her. He bungled several topics, including the birther issue, his treatment of women, his tax returns and business affairs, and foreign policy. The only time he made a positive foray was on trade. Shadow Hawk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 And he is blaming Lester Holt and his microphone for his poor performance. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Jeeeeeez. Now he's doubling down on attacking the Miss Universe winner brought up in the debate. That's just crazy, it's 20 years ago and he could've gone with "I regret it happened but it was a long, long time ago", but no. Now there are fresh quotes to add to the mix about her weight and so on. Well played? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Hillary was sharp, poised and well-prepared. Trump was incoherent, sputtering and sniffing and frequently interrupting her. He bungled several topics, including the birther issue, his treatment of women, his tax returns and business affairs, and foreign policy. The only time he made a positive foray was on trade. But trade, and its (highly debated) effect on jobs, matters more to a lot of American voters than those other issues, particularly in the battleground states, several of which lie in the so-called "rust belt" of manufacturing-heavy economies, where many believe they've lost jobs to globalization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I've got to ask, what happens when Pence and Kaine get 3 buzzes (which should be at about the halfway point of the scheduled debate) That's when they release the lions into the arena. I was thinking 'suspend debate and reschedule. Keep trying until at least one side can make it through an entire debate without getting buzzed out' ... but I can back Old Man's plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 But trade, and its (highly debated) effect on jobs, matters more to a lot of American voters than those other issues, particularly in the battleground states, several of which lie in the so-called "rust belt" of manufacturing-heavy economies, where many believe they've lost jobs to globalization. Exactly - "They took our jobs! I'll bring them back! And give them to true, legal Americans!" is the heart of Trumps platform. I'd like to think that the majority of his supporters fall into the camp of 'oh brother, he's opening his mouth again but ... it would be really nice to reopen those steel mills.'. THe problem is that he's about as unlikely to be able to deliver on his campaign promises as any other candidate in political history (from head of the PTA up) - and I'm ok with that. What I'm not OK with is how he'll represent the USA on the international stage while failing to deliver - the debate proved that even when he's trying hard he can be rattled. He WILL be rattled. Presidents can't afford to get rattled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Populism is the easiest platform to campaign on, and the hardest to govern from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Reports are coming out that the Trump Foundation is a tax dodge and is used to pay expenses instead of giving to charity CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I think it has not yet dawned on a lot of voters that Clinton is objectively less dishonest, less cynical and less corrupt than the primary alternative, by a full order of magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Yes, but many of these voters think Clinton is dishonest enough that they'd rather protest by staying home in their basement on Election Day. Even though the vast majority of Clinton's "lies" are pretty minor even if they are lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 It seems Hillary is being held to a higher standard of honesty by the public than the Donald. Not that she hasn't done things that are questionable or suspicious, if not actually illegal; but the number of statements Trump has made during this campaign which simply don't match verifiable facts are hard to tally by this point. I suspect it's become primarily a matter of self-perpetuating perception of the candidates, rather than their objective reality. I just wish Jeb Bartlet was running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 One of the fact check articles on the debate said that both candidates were telling the truth more when attacking the other, but lying more when defending themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/army-tweet-donald-trump/index.html Apparently the US Army officially tweeted that Donald Trump lies every 3 minutes and 15 seconds... Accidentally. But it's still funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Funny...and factually accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/army-tweet-donald-trump/index.html Apparently the US Army officially tweeted that Donald Trump lies every 3 minutes and 15 seconds... Accidentally. But it's still funny. How can we believe the accuracy of the US Army if Trump knows more than their Generals do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 The Trump Foundation might be liable for taxes on all the money it took in. It seems it didn't have a certificate to operate. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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