Beast Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 we have CC at 40$/20$ for the pdfthe basic rules are 14.99 as a pdf or 19.99 for a dead tree version Champions (setting )20.00 for the pdf the basic rules don't have everything so your going to have to by the full rules anyway So if you go the CC pdf 20$ Millennium City pdf 8.50$(5th ed) Champions (setting )20.00$ Champions Villains 2 pdf(teams)20.00$(give you the best mix of leaders and followers for your buck for 88.50$ you could do with out these 2 if you have run an RPG before Millennium City pdf 8.50$(5th ed) Champions (setting )20.00$ but pretty much if you want it to cost lessyou would have to go w/ Wildstrike upgraded to 6th ed Setting is king. I agree about that. I also think asking $40 for a 'beginners book' is a bit to much. I do not consider Champions Complete to be an entery level book. That is because it replaces 6ed p1 and p2, in an economical package, and is not designed as a 'welcome to Champions' book. Same for the upcoming Fantasy Hero Complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 The other way to go is the board game route. Board games are enjoying something of a renaissance and there are many such games that are really thinly disguised RPGs with minis and a map. High price tags are almost expected in that area. You could then almost package Hero as an expansion to the board game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 The .pdf i uploaded here is an example of how i present my designs to my players. in my heroic level games where they arent paying points for equipment (even the special or magical stuff) they dont need the "gobbledygook". they get straight stats they need for the gameplay and a basic description of the weapon/equipment and away they go. i think this is the approach HERO needs to take with its campaign settings. Dark_Universe_Laser_weapons.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Its true that boardgames are experiencing a renewal of interest, I think its largely related to kickstarter and other crowdfunding efforts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hmm, kickstarter. Maybe we could crowdfund a new version of Fantasy Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think you will see Fantasy Hero Complete appeal to the existing Hero System fan base, but I won't be surprised if it fails to substantially reach the non-Hero audience out there. I'm not even sure it is really intended to do so. At the end of the day, FHC is of the Read & Build tradition and not really aimed at the Read & Play crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 The question seems rather premature now that Hero is pretty much no longer on retailer's shelves. Hard to get players without eyes on the product. I see DC and Heroes Unlimited (both of which I thought were pretty dead) on the shelves these days taking Hero's proper place. I remember when Hero dominated the game conventions I attended. Only a few years, and it mysteriously died as quickly as it ascended, but it was great while it lasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenmann Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think you will see Fantasy Hero Complete appeal to the existing Hero System fan base, but I won't be surprised if it fails to substantially reach the non-Hero audience out there. I'm not even sure it is really intended to do so. At the end of the day, FHC is of the Read & Build tradition and not really aimed at the Read & Play crowd. I'm not sure if I'm part of the existing Hero fan base as I've never played the game. Fantasy Hero Complete has caught my attention because I checked out Champions Complete at my FLGS. Champions Complete looked a heck of a lot more accessible than the big books and I'm hoping the same for FHC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 The question seems rather premature now that Hero is pretty much no longer on retailer's shelves. Hard to get players without eyes on the product. That's kind of why I'm asking the question to begin with. And as you said, games thought long-gone have returned, so its never too late to rebuild the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm not sure if I'm part of the existing Hero fan base as I've never played the game. Fantasy Hero Complete has caught my attention because I checked out Champions Complete at my FLGS. Champions Complete looked a heck of a lot more accessible than the big books and I'm hoping the same for FHC. That's very encouraging. Now imagine how many more FRPG fans would be attracted to a killer product line that fits the Read & Play Setting structure described earlier. FHC may reach a handful non-Hero gamers, but I don't expect the numbers to be substantial. And to be "substantial," I feel the numbers need to be close to whatever fantasy game is coming in third behind D&D and Pathfinder. Anything worse than that is still getting lost in the noise of the myriad marginal players in the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's very encouraging. Now imagine how many more FRPG fans would be attracted to a killer product line that fits the Read & Play Setting structure described earlier. FHC may reach a handful non-Hero gamers, but I don't expect the numbers to be substantial. And to be "substantial," I feel the numbers need to be close to whatever fantasy game is coming in third behind D&D and Pathfinder. Anything worse than that is still getting lost in the noise of the myriad marginal players in the industry. The thing we're running into is that the HERO System is not a game, it's a system. Champions, Fantasy Hero, Star Hero, &c., are all giant how-to manuals on building a game. D&D, Pathfinder, the World of Darkness, &c., are all games. GURPS may very well be a system as well, but at least SJG sells lots of games-in-a-book you can buy. A game can be in more than one book, but at some point we need to start selling games. Hopefully, FHC fills the niche of game, especially with the Kickstarter extras, and if they're successful in that then hopefully they'll publish those for general sales as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 The thing we're running into is that the HERO System is not a game, it's a system. Champions, Fantasy Hero, Star Hero, &c., are all giant how-to manuals on building a game. D&D, Pathfinder, the World of Darkness, &c., are all games. GURPS may very well be a system as well, but at least SJG sells lots of games-in-a-book you can buy. A game can be in more than one book, but at some point we need to start selling games. Hopefully, FHC fills the niche of game, especially with the Kickstarter extras, and if they're successful in that then hopefully they'll publish those for general sales as well. I've often said, in recent years, that Hero is a Build Your Own Game Kit. It took me decades to realize that. As far as I know, that makes it unique. Lucius Alexander Using a Build Your Own Palindromedary Tagline Kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I should point out that PS238, Lucha Libre Hero, Monster Hunters International, and most likely Narosia are all games as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguy Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 One of the things I keep hearing is that Hero needs pre-built adventures, pre-built PCs, and settings. Instead of just saying this is what Hero needs to do - create them yourself and see if you can sell them as PDFs (here, drivethru, rpgnow, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yep that's been my approach. What I see the game needs, I'm trying to provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 One of the things I keep hearing is that Hero needs pre-built adventures, pre-built PCs, and settings. Instead of just saying this is what Hero needs to do - create them yourself and see if you can sell them as PDFs (here, drivethru, rpgnow, etc.) As I've mentioned elsewhere, I have neither the time nor the talent to produce the quality nor the quantity of material needed to achieve the goals stated (by me anyway) in these threads. What I envision is not something just anyone with Hero System experience and an itch to build worlds and write content can do competently, myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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