Echo3Niner Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 So, I'm aware of VIPER, and how they are like Hydra to an extent, but that got me to wondering, is there a Champions version of SHIELD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 In the US there is PRIMUS, internationally there is UNTIL. For more information please see your copy of CHAMPIONS Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Nicholls Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 in fact originally SHIELD was closer to UNTIL but now they are more like PRIMUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 UNTIL PrimusSAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critias Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 It sounds like you're mostly looking for UNTIL -- the United Nations Tribunal on International Law -- here, yup. About a decade back there was even a pretty great book about 'em, UNTIL, Defenders of Freedom, that gives you all kinds of SHIELD-esque details about the various sub-agencies, stats for all kinds of cool gear they've got, sheets for NPC agents, all that fun stuff. You may have even noticed UNTIL (without quite recognizing them) in a few other sourcebooks, lots of the Champions powers database books are presented in character as UNTIL files, for instance. PRIMUS is the United States federal agency that's very similar in style and feel, but I'm less familiar with their sourcebooks, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I've actually grown tired enough of the distinction between PRIMUS and UNTIL that in my next Champions Campaign, I'm just going to merge PRIMUS into UNTIL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 PRIMUS was created to make shure UNTIL wasn't needed in the US. SAT (Special American Tactics) were a military group which was a put into place to help PRIMUS till they were ready, then never disbanded till recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 When Doctor Destroyer destroyed Detroit PRIMUS and the US Government where overwhelmed. When the US Media and Citizens learned that UNTIL was prepared, but unable to act they demanded UNTIL be allowed to operate in the US. PRIMUS still exists and operates on US soil and in many States is the go to Organization. More later QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 A triple posting for extra emphasis, QM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigereye Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 BTW, QM, it was Detroit, not Chicago that got pancaked by Dr. Destroyer. Sorry to add a little more injury here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 That was weird. I would Delete duplicate posts if I could. QM PS: Sent from iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Doctor Detroit? QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critias Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I've actually grown tired enough of the distinction between PRIMUS and UNTIL that in my next Champions Campaign, I'm just going to merge PRIMUS into UNTIL. It makes sense to merge them (and for practical purposes they already kind of are, since UNTIL's allowed to operate in the US, etc)...but on the other hand, it also opens up some story opportunities, as-is. Just like there are different organizations of bad guys out there, it makes sense to have different, even overlapping, organizations of good guys. There are chances for stories where one agency withholds information from the other, a long-simmering campaign with differences between PRIMUS and UNTIL that maybe turns into a sort of "Civil War" type thing (and then bad guys running amok in the background), all kinds of stuff. So I don't mind the status quo right now. They're effectively one group if you want them to be, but there's room for friction and differences, if you want that, instead. I dig it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Silver Avengers become party of Team UNITY. UNTIL Superhuman Group. Iron Guards become part of Peacekeeper units. PRIMUS Assault Agents ate folded into UNTIL Urban Agents with a large number becoming Heavy Weapons and Superhuman Combat Specialists. Strike Team Agents Any links to Anti-Superhuman groups like the IHA or Genocide quit and join the Purifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 PRIMUS made sense to me from a US perspective; the United States is extremely hesitant to giving any authority to someone outside its borders, even hostile to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 That was weird. I would Delete duplicate posts if I could. QM PS: Sent from iPhone I took the liberty for you, sir. Moderator Man, away! *Flies off* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigereye Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I took the liberty for you, sir. Moderator Man, away! *Flies off* Who was that masked man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigereye Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Doctor Detroit? QM No, he was in Chicago too. The evil Herr Doktor only wishes he could be suave enough to land Donna Dixon! (I will not mention Fran Drescher - although lovely to look at in this film, she has a voice that can melt Destreum...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 No, he was in Chicago too. The evil Herr Doktor only wishes he could be suave enough to land Donna Dixon! (I will not mention Fran Drescher - although lovely to look at in this film, she has a voice that can melt Destreum...) I think Doctor Detroit was a superhero rather then a villain. He has a secret identity, four followers, and Mom, an arch enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigereye Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry, didn't make myself clear. The evil Herr Doktor I was referring to was Dr. Destroyer, not Doctor Detroit. Confusingly, Doctor Detroit is in Chicago...and is not a supervillain, but sort of a super-pimp/mobster/Robin Hood sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 It makes sense to merge them (and for practical purposes they already kind of are, since UNTIL's allowed to operate in the US, etc)...but on the other hand, it also opens up some story opportunities, as-is. Just like there are different organizations of bad guys out there, it makes sense to have different, even overlapping, organizations of good guys. There are chances for stories where one agency withholds information from the other, a long-simmering campaign with differences between PRIMUS and UNTIL that maybe turns into a sort of "Civil War" type thing (and then bad guys running amok in the background), all kinds of stuff. So I don't mind the status quo right now. They're effectively one group if you want them to be, but there's room for friction and differences, if you want that, instead. I dig it. The PRIMUS source book from 1998 (still available in PDF from the Hero Games online store) describes many details which make PRIMUS distinctive from UNTIL, if one wanted to play up the unique identities of each group. For that matter, the current edition of Champions Of The North gives us the Steelhead Division of the RCMP, Canada's special super-security service. It would be understandable for nations with the resources to want to create "super" groups answerable only to their own governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Self Determination vs Self Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 SAT could still exist and be running as the US Military's answer to PRIMUS/UNTIL. And operate 'off the books'. And being military, care not of civilians. Think G.I.Joe, but more like 'special forces/seal team six'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo3Niner Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 OK, now that we've covered that; what about cosmic groups? E.g. Nova or the Lantern Corps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 The Star*Guard - An organization founded a million years ago on the planet Odrugar whose members are dedicated to protecting the peoples of the Galaxy from all sorts of dangers, threats, and menaces. Its warriors, or Star Guardians, all wield a powerful weapon called a Star*Staff or Star-Staff. The Star*Guard base in Earth's solar system is located on Europa, a moon of Jupiter. Currently, the Guardian of Earth's region is Andre Almena. Sourcebooks: Galactic Champions Champions Beyond Digital Hero: (Star*Guard Articles) DH #5 DH #41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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