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3 hours ago, Bazza said:

What if she gets the wong Wong, the employee of Target instead of the Sorcerer* Supreme?
(*Pizzer hut would have been funnier as Wong could have the 'sauce-er supreme pizza guy') 

 

In France, he's a Sorcerer with Cheese.

 

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The video looked like it had them in their regular IDs instead of disguised as new heroes, more Suicide Squad than Thunderbolts style. Here's the roster:

 

Val (Julia Louis-Dreyfus)

Ghost (Hannah John-Kamen)

Red Guardian (David Harbour)

Yelena Belova (Florence Pugh)

Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan)

U.S. Agent (Wyatt Russell)

Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko)

 

Seems odd to omit Zemo, since he's been introduced in the MCU and used multiple times recently.

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1 hour ago, Pattern Ghost said:

The video looked like it had them in their regular IDs instead of disguised as new heroes, more Suicide Squad than Thunderbolts style. Here's the roster:

 

Val (Julia Louis-Dreyfus)

Ghost (Hannah John-Kamen)

Red Guardian (David Harbour)

Yelena Belova (Florence Pugh)

Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan)

U.S. Agent (Wyatt Russell)

Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko)

 

Seems odd to omit Zemo, since he's been introduced in the MCU and used multiple times recently.

The only one Bucky will be able to trust is the Red Guardian

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Its kind of funny, Aquaman came out after Namor the Sub-Mariner in real comics history.  Namor had the Atlantis history and all that, Aquaman didn't get that background until later.  But DC stole a march on Marvel and put out Aquaman in the films and set him up as king of Atlantis so Marvel couldn't do that now or it seems derivative or like a copy.

 

Now, the Mayan thing is just... bizarre to me, but I guess they had to come up with something and it couldn't be an alien undersea race so now he's Quetzelcoatl.  We'll see how they pull it off. Namor is one of my favorite characters in Marvel's comics and I dunno it doesn't feel like its going to pull off the same feel.

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7 minutes ago, Bazza said:

 


1) Different culture: Not Occidental, now Mesoamerican. 

2) Not a superbeing in his own right but an avatar for a god

3) Different home with different name: Not the expected place of Atlantis (the Atlantic) but now in South America with a different name (Talocan, origin Aztec and Mayan legends). 

4) Different look

5) Different personality. 

 

So is this really Namor that is being brought to screen? For me, nope. It is a bait-and-switch. While some elements/tropes remain, there is more than enough for this to be declared a different character. Call it a homage, or a pastiche or just a rip off but the two are essentially different. The thing is, that marvel could double-down on the Occidental nature of Atlantis given by Plato in the Timaeus and Critias of an ancient battle that took place between Atlantis (imperialism) and Athens (nationalism). Add in other elements from Homer's Iliad (Greece vs Troy) and you'd draw on thousands of years of myth and ancestral memory. This would just add to the myth already in Black Panther with it utilising the Arthurian-Celtic Once And Future King archetype as well as the African-Egyptian-Osirian kingly resurrection. Shuri's role in becoming the new Black Panther would be her own hero quest to reassemble the Black Panther similar to Isis finding and resurrecting Osiris-- Shuri's pulling the sword-from-the-stone moment ietest of worthiness. 

 

There is more, but you get the jist. It feels like a vast missed opportunity on Marvel's part to create a Lucas-like mythology within the MCU. 

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6 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

Given what we've already seen in "The Rings of Power," Tolkien's heirs have every right to be freaked out. They shouldn't let Netflix anywhere near Middle-Earth again.

 

It's on Amazon Prime, but the observation is valid.

 

 

(Netflix's version would take place in Middling-Earth, and probably the plot would probably involve a contest with cake.)

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