randian Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 One thing I didn't notice before in the 6E rules is that Stealth gets penalties if you have Inobvious powers turned on. Such as, for example, any of the major defenses (which are Inobvious and not Imperceptible per Champions Complete). It used to be that while resistant defenses or damage reduction had obvious effects in terms of the target surviving lethal damage, they weren't perceivable per-se. In 6E terms they were Imperceptible, but Imperceptible powers always have Perceptible Target Effects unless you pay extra to make the Target Effect Imperceptible as well. Now having damage reduction (for example) makes it harder to sneak around. Its persistence means it's always considered to be in-use and thus perceivable whether you're taking damage right now or not, and in any case it would rarely make sense special-effects wise to turn it off. So much for stealthy bricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 One thing I didn't notice before in the 6E rules is that Stealth gets penalties if you have Inobvious powers turned on. Such as, for example, any of the major defenses (which are Inobvious and not Imperceptible per Champions Complete). It used to be that while resistant defenses or damage reduction had obvious effects in terms of the target surviving lethal damage, they weren't perceivable per-se. In 6E terms they were Imperceptible, but Imperceptible powers always have Perceptible Target Effects unless you pay extra to make the Target Effect Imperceptible as well. Now having damage reduction (for example) makes it harder to sneak around. Its persistence means it's always considered to be in-use and thus perceivable whether you're taking damage right now or not, and in any case it would rarely make sense special-effects wise to turn it off. So much for stealthy bricks So now you have to buy invisible power effects for everything? Personally i would rule that if the power did not cost end and did not have an obvious sfx, then it would not provide a penalty to stealth. if the book says otherwise, i would ignore it, but that's just me. i'm crazy like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 pretty much superman does not appear bullet proof till you shoot himCombat luck the same thingNu pretty much got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I've bought defenses with IPE before, but instead of making the character look more vulnerable, it made him look far more messed up than he really was after taking damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted July 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 pretty much superman does not appear bullet proof till you shoot him Combat luck the same thing Nu pretty much got it I agree, but by RAW that's not how it works anymore. Another example: Absorption is now Obvious, just like Blast is. You're a walking beacon if you walk about town with your Absorption at the ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I would go with "you need a reason to roll" just looking does not count per roll to see that the shot hit , not breathing in the poison gas by your reading of RAW , 50% of the population can tell who is bullet proof and who is not bullet proof for me this is very silly of course we could just adjust starting supers at say 500 to 600pts Inobvious for me means you cannot tell until there is an observable instance to prove 1 way or another this would pretty much mean you could not have a secret ID unless everything is bought invisible power effect in the end maybe a rewording of CC/6thed is needed for this I agree, but by RAW that's not how it works anymore. Another example: Absorption is now Obvious, just like Blast is. You're a walking beacon if you walk about town with your Absorption at the ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 6E1 126 "Theobviousness of a perceivable Power typicallydepends primarily on its category, though the finaldecision is up to the GM, and the rules for individualPowers may trump the general rules listedbelow. As always, common sense, dramatic sense,and considerations of game balance should apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 6E1 126 "The obviousness of a perceivable Power typically depends primarily on its category, though the final decision is up to the GM, and the rules for individual Powers may trump the general rules listed below. As always, common sense, dramatic sense, and considerations of game balance should apply Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Powers are visible when you use them not just because they are turned on. So your Resistant Defenses are Obvious when an attack bounces off you or when someone tries to squeeze you.(Sight and Touch) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 the point was about being seen w/ just a per roll no observable moment was specified they are inobvious until there is an observable moment the Per roll should be to make sure the target was hit Powers are visible when you use them not just because they are turned on. So your Resistant Defenses are Obvious when an attack bounces off you or when someone tries to squeeze you.(Sight and Touch) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 the point was about being seen w/ just a per roll no observable moment was specified they are inobvious until there is an observable moment the Per roll should be to make sure the target was hit I think that's what I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 not quite 1 touch alone will not tell you if a person is bullet proof unless your grip is enough to break bones and you apply that much strength 2 a Perception roll is needed on an inobvious power ,it does not switch from 1 to the other when stuck I think that's what I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I agree, but by RAW that's not how it works anymore. Another example: Absorption is now Obvious, just like Blast is. You're a walking beacon if you walk about town with your Absorption at the ready. That means when you absorb an attack, that you absorbed it (and not just were affected as normal for your defenses) is obvious. They know "he is absorbing the attack". They know "hitting him with this kind of energy will boost his power". Just like using aid on yourself is obvious. Absorption is little more then Aid with Trigger. People still need to know you can absord powers from prior observation, knowledge or run into your absoprtion at least once (and possibly repeatedly if they lack other special attacks). You are not as shiny as a cristmas tree and hummign audible just because you have the power. It is just obvious that you have the power when you use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Example: It was obvious Super 17 of Dragonball GT could absorb energy when he did it: He was beaten when 18 and Goku noticed that he had bought his absoprtion with Concentration. Or maybe that he had to use the "Block vs Ranged" maneuver for it to work. In any case he could not move or properly defend himself from melee attacks while he used the power Edit: That was actually a coutner example. Seem the absoprtion was bought with inobvious. Need to find a better one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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