Ragitsu Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Using the official (or "most official") stats for the baseline representation of both of these animals, who tends to win in a battle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Are there stats for the housefly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Curious about the attack powers for M. Dom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Are there stats for the housefly? Those would be nice to have. Basically, I want to see how close to real life the rules portray a fight between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Curious about the attack powers for M. Dom. Huge presence attack. Seriously. Is the homo sapien female? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Fly Swatter: ½d6 HTH Attack, 0 END, HTH Attack, OAF, STR Does Not Add Damage, Real Weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 The fly has got to have a high DCV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 But the scale difference is so large, that an attack from a human on a housefly would count as an AoE Attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 The fly has got to have a high DCV. I don't think it does, it just has an insanely high Tactics roll and Danger Sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I don't think it does, it just has an insanely high Tactics roll and Danger Sense. It is strange, because a fly can be nailed relatively easily with a fly swatter or similar wide object (such as a towel). Should an attack be launched from it's rear (hex?), that too is likely to succeed. Because of this, I assume the creature's Danger Sense comes with a huge caveat/Achilles heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I don't think it does, it just has an insanely high Tactics roll and Danger Sense. It'll have a +18 DCV for size alone. (1cm = 9 levels shrinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 It occurs to me, it might works better the other way around. Consider the fly as default size, with the human as having 9 levels of growth. With its inches of flight not limited to <1"/segment, the fly's flight, combat pilot and acrobatics can come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 It's probably not Danger Sense but increased arc of vision due to the compound eyes. It can't see behind itself, so maybe 240 degrees? A fly might also have a higher SPD than a person, maybe a 4 compared to the average 2. This gives it more opportunities to abort to dodge or maybe dive for cover. It's flight speed limits how far it can dive for cover, so a swatter can nail it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 It's probably not Danger Sense but increased arc of vision due to the compound eyes. It can't see behind itself, so maybe 240 degrees? A fly might also have a higher SPD than a person, maybe a 4 compared to the average 2. This gives it more opportunities to abort to dodge or maybe dive for cover. It's flight speed limits how far it can dive for cover, so a swatter can nail it. Yep. SPD 4, so that it always always has a saved phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 It'll have a +18 DCV for size alone. (1cm = 9 levels shrinking) I'm not sure its DCV is actually that high. I wouldn't put my own OCV at more than 4 or 5, and I've taken out flies with my bare hands. On the other hand, at fly scale my hand is the equivalent to about Area Of Effect: 4m radius. Methinks we need some better scaling rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Just reverse the AoE scaling from Growth in 6E1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Fly's do have the very high DCV, but when we attack them, we try to catch them off guard for half DCV or all out attack. And lets face it sometimes we roll a 3. Our AOE accurate fly swatter, also helps a lot as is what ever other accurate improvised tool we use will do. Try and catch a fly after missing and it becomes very hard, you may have to 'attack' several time to get that lucky roll even while you are 100% focused on it doing your all out attacks. Unfortunately Hero lacks the expected all out attack for pluses to OCV in exchange for penalties to DCV, instead opting for a Haymaker as a all out attack imitation. But I imagine in real life w have a All-out attack +3 OCV for 1/2 DCV option and the Patriarchs of Hero simply forgot to include it in the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Unfortunately Hero lacks the expected all out attack for pluses to OCV in exchange for penalties to DCV, instead opting for a Haymaker as a all out attack imitation. But I imagine in real life w have a All-out attack +3 OCV for 1/2 DCV option and the Patriarchs of Hero simply forgot to include it in the rules. Heh. That made me think of something unrelated. Ever want to see a real life demonstration of combat with all levels on DCV? Watch someone trying to kill a bee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 But the scale difference is so large, that an attack from a human on a housefly would count as an AoE Attack. Is there a official rule for that? Because it makes a good bit of sense "realistically". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Fly's do have the very high DCV, but when we attack them, we try to catch them off guard for half DCV or all out attack. And lets face it sometimes we roll a 3. Our AOE accurate fly swatter, also helps a lot as is what ever other accurate improvised tool we use will do. Try and catch a fly after missing and it becomes very hard, you may have to 'attack' several time to get that lucky roll even while you are 100% focused on it doing your all out attacks. Unfortunately Hero lacks the expected all out attack for pluses to OCV in exchange for penalties to DCV, instead opting for a Haymaker as a all out attack imitation. But I imagine in real life w have a All-out attack +3 OCV for 1/2 DCV option and the Patriarchs of Hero simply forgot to include it in the rules. You can Set for a OCV Bonus and reduced DCV and call it an "All out Attack" as one option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 I'm not sure its DCV is actually that high. I wouldn't put my own OCV at more than 4 or 5, and I've taken out flies with my bare hands. On the other hand, at fly scale my hand is the equivalent to about Area Of Effect: 4m radius. Methinks we need some better scaling rules. I have always had a fondness for the way Robot Warriors did scaling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Is there a official rule for that? Because it makes a good bit of sense "realistically". Check under Growth in 6E1. As compared to Normal sized character, a Huge character's hands and feet can count as AoE Attacks. That's three Size Categories -- how many categories are there between an adult human and a housefly? Six? And I just checked -- in the Insectile Size Category description, the Complication states that normal-sized hands and feet counts as AoE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebar Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Check under Growth in 6E1. As compared to Normal sized character, a Huge character's hands and feet can count as AoE Attacks. That's three Size Categories -- how many categories are there between an adult human and a housefly? Six? This applies in 5E as well. It might go all the way back to III (anyone remember III?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted May 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 This applies in 5E as well. It might go all the way back to III (anyone remember III?). Yeah. That was the year I got my first telegraph. Cherry red highlights, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 This applies in 5E as well. It might go all the way back to III (anyone remember III?). I understood it was GM's option in 5E? I recall several Growth based characters got AE for their Strength linked to their Growth. The effects of Growth and Shrinking on combat are kind of a weird area in some ways differing between how it works out mechanically and how they tend to be depicted in various media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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