Cassandra Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 DC Comics Strength Scale http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Strength_Scale Examples 15 STR - Adam Strange, Atom (Ray Palmer), Black Canary, Black Lightning, Catwoman, Flash (Any except Wally West), Green Lantern (Any not using Ring), Harley Quinn, Huntress, Lex Luthor, Talia al Ghul 20 STR - Bane (without Venom), Batgirl (listed as 250 lbs), Batman, Nightwing, Flash (Wally West), Green Arrow (Both), Joker, Wildcat. 40 STR - Bane (with Venom), Hawkwoman. 50 STR - Gorilla Grodd, Golden Age Superman. 55 STR - Cyborg, Starfire, Cassandra Sandsmark 60+ STR - Superman, Supergirl, Captain Marvel, Isis, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Marvel Strength Scale http://marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale Examples 15 STR - Cyclops, Mystique, Psylocke, Nightcrawler, Bullseye, Iron Fist, Hawkeye, Taskmaster 20 STR - Moon Knight, Speed Demon, Black Widow, Black Panther, Black Cat 25 STR - Quicksilver, Vermin 30 STR - Captain America, Baron Blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 From the DC page: This page is a relic from the dark days of the wikis. Though it's linked to on many pages, it's obsolete, arbitrary and badly sourced. It's not a good page. It's slowly being phased out so it can be deleted; there's no need to update this page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 From the DC page: This page is a relic from the dark days of the wikis. Though it's linked to on many pages, it's obsolete, arbitrary and badly sourced. It's not a good page. It's slowly being phased out so it can be deleted; there's no need to update this page. Isn't that true about everything on the internet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I question Gorilla Grodd being able to press 25 tons. He's a gorilla, which would give him STR 25 (10 points of that from Density Increase Mass 400kg, Always on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Except when they were drawing him the size of Mighty Joe Young or King Kong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Cement mixer in an overhead lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 There are plenty of representations of Grodd exhibiting superstrength. He is indeed a super-gorilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 And sounds like Powers Boothe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Cement mixer in an overhead lift. I didn't know Grodd was that strong... O_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 And sounds like Powers Boothe.And Powers Boothe sounds like a comic book character's name. FULL CIRCLE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted September 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 The Average Person Male Char Female 10 STR 5 10 DEX 11 10 CON 10 10 BODY 10 10 INT 10 10 EGO 11 10 PRE 10 10 COM 10 2 PD 2 2 ED 2 2 SPD 2 4 SPD 3 20 END 20 20 STUN 18 Total Characteristics Cost: 0 Points Cost Skills 0 Acting 8- 0 AK: Home Country or Region 8- 0 Climbing 8- 0 Concealment 8- 0 Conversation 8- 0 Deduction 8- 0 Lang: Native Language w/Literacy 0 Paramedic 8- 0 PS: Job or Hobby 11- 0 Shadowing 8- 0 Stealth 8- 0 TF: Small Ground Vehicles 0 WF: Clubs, Fist Loads, Thrown Rocks, Unarmed Combat Total Skills Cost: 0 Points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culhwch Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Marvel Strength Scale http://marvel.wikia.com/Strength_Scale Examples 15 STR - Cyclops, Mystique, Psylocke, Nightcrawler, Bullseye, Iron Fist, Hawkeye, Taskmaster 20 STR - Moon Knight, Speed Demon, Black Widow, Black Panther, Black Cat 25 STR - Quicksilver, Vermin 30 STR - Captain America, Baron Blood Cap is 30 STR? That seems high to me (although, I'm by no means a Cap (or Marvel) expert). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 The Marvel wiki puts Cap's lift ability at 1200 pounds, which is about 600kg, which comes to 23 STR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Captain America is suppose to be a perfect human being, and that should mean his maximum 20 STR, with reduced END. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 No...NCM is not, nor has it EVER been the max a character can be. As written it is the point of diminishing gains. IN THEORY a character could go as far as you can afford on strength by paying double. Hero 5th (I think, maybe champions) says max human is 1.5xNCM in most cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 In the Champions Universe 30 is Peak Human for most physical Characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ok...30 STR means you can lift a ton. How many "peak humans" can do this? On the other note...I think STR 20-23 STR for Cap is probably fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 That's mostly an issue with the scaling of lifting Strength. No one I know on the boards has ever claimed that a person can lift a ton. That doesn't change that 30 is considered "peak human" in the CU (or that this conversation has been had a dozen times already).If building Cap for a CU campaign I'd probably give Cap a STR of 25 with +5 STR, No Lifting (-0/ -1/4?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yeah, in a comic book or high fantasy universe a "normal" strong man might be able to lift a ton in Hero terms: Lift it, maybe stagger a few steps with it and put it down/drop it. Dead Lift over their heads and carry around with some degree of mobility is probably significantly less (or should be). This would be a legendary feat but the within in the realm of normal (not augmented or altered by magic, super science, etc) human being) human strength but incredibly rare and incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ok...30 STR means you can lift a ton. How many "peak humans" can do this? On the other note...I think STR 20-23 STR for Cap is probably fine. Captain America, for one. And Champs Strength that's a dead lift - records are a little more than 1100lbs. So a 25 (800kilos) is adequate. And it doesn't matter, everyone write them their way anyway. I give him a 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 One issue with interpreting STR of established characters is that lifting capacity goes up exponentially while damage goes up linearly. I don't think anyone would claim Spider-Man is roughly half as strong as Colossus or Thor, yet with his 10-30 ton overhead lift (depending on the era) he has 45-50 some STR versus Thor's 60-65. That closeness throws a lot of people off. I think we get overly caught up with the weight numbers because they are only Characteristic codified to real world numbers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yeah, in a comic book or high fantasy universe a "normal" strong man might be able to lift a ton in Hero terms: Lift it, maybe stagger a few steps with it and put it down/drop it. Dead Lift over their heads and carry around with some degree of mobility is probably significantly less (or should be). This would be a legendary feat but the within in the realm of normal (not augmented or altered by magic, super science, etc) human being) human strength but incredibly rare and incredible. And in a super universe, who's to say where exactly the line is? If there's an easily recognizable objective explanation in-universe for powers (like, say, the Wild Card virus) then it's probably pretty straightforward, but most superhero universes are a little more fuzzy. If one guy can lift 1200 pounds and another can lift 2000, and neither of them has been screened for the super gene (or whatever), then how do we know that one is "normal" and one's not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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