Allensh Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Is there any "official" information on the characters Brick (who vanished after 4th edition) and Icicle (who vanished after 4th edition, I believe) in the present Champions Universe? if not, what do you think happened to them, assuming they ever existed at all? Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: "Brick" vanished before the BBB (Champions 4th edition). He is no longer in the game continuan (othoe the charater can easly be recreated for your campain, if you wish). As fr Icicle, there was a small thing with her being in the first printing BBB while also being in the Heroic Graphics comic books also. So she was withdrawn from the rpg, and replaced with Frostbite (basicly renamed and regendered version of Icicle). There was a version of Icicle for Champions: The New Milimimum (which made her the daughter of Freon instead of the kid sister of Icestar). In 5th edition and 6th edition, she is a girl named Frostbite(?) instead of a girl named Icicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allensh Posted December 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: I did discover that Icicle did exist in 5th edition, although perhaps she was renamed later. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Icicle was published in the 5e genre book. An essentially identical villain called Snowblind appeared in Evil Unleashed, clearly as a replacement. She's not in the 6e genre book. I don't have the 6e villains books. Brick seems to have last appeared in 3e, although he was mentioned in the 4e Champions Universe. I always thought he had potential. While at first glance he's just another monster/brick, there is the question of who is he really? He could easily be Lirby Koo (the generic mastermind involved in his origin) himself. And if he were to regain his memories.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: "Brick" vanished before the BBB (Champions 4th edition). He is no longer in the game continuan (othoe the charater can easly be recreated for your campain' date=' if you wish).[/quote'] Brick seems to have last appeared in 3e, although he was mentioned in the 4e Champions Universe. I always thought he had potential. While at first glance he's just another monster/brick, there is the question of who is he really? He could easily be Lirby Koo (the generic mastermind involved in his origin) himself. And if he were to regain his memories.... Brick's last appearance was in the 4th Ed. VIPER Sourcebook on pages 118-119. He is listed as being one of VIPER's solo operatives and as having regained his memory as a result of experiments performed by VIPER to improve his powers. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Icicle appeared in the 5E Champions genre book, before DOJ was aware that comic publisher Heroic Publishing claimed the rights to the character. When the villains from that book were made part of Evil Unleashed, a compilation of villains from a number of already-published 5E source books, Icicle was replaced with a very similar character, called Snowblind, which the company did own. I'm not sure if Snowblind had appeared anywhere prior to EU; but she is part of the 6E Champions Villains Volume Three: Solo Villains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Brick's last appearance was in the 4th Ed. VIPER Sourcebook on pages 118-119. He is listed as being one of VIPER's solo operatives and as having regained his memory as a result of experiments performed by VIPER to improve his powers. Hope that helps. Brick was not Lirby Koo (or Kirby Loo, depending on which book you refer to), but was a scientist. His true name was revealed in 4E VIPER when he had regained his memory, although I don't have the book handy to check what his name was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Brick was not Lirby Koo (or Kirby Loo' date=' depending on which book you refer to), but was a scientist. His true name was revealed in 4E [i']VIPER[/i] when he had regained his memory, although I don't have the book handy to check what his name was. That would be Dr. Jon Cole. I should have mentioned that in my last post; Thank You for reminding me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allensh Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Now I am really confused. How can Heroic Publishing claim the rights to a character that was published in the RPG YEARS before their comics even existed?? Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Hero/Champions have changed hands since the beginning. The original characters, from what I understand, reverted to their creators. That included Icicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Greywind makes an excellent point. Many of the characters which appeared in early published Hero Games books and modules belonged to their creators, and were used by HG with their permission, but the creators retained the rights. Heroic Publishing bought or licensed some of those characters subsequently to appear in their comics. One of the reasons for the composition of the current official Champions Universe is that DOJ wanted a setting and roster of characters that they owned outright, to use as they chose without dispute. Of course they let Cryptic Studios buy the CU, so that kinda went by the wayside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Brick turned up in the VIPER supplement as one of their independent villains. He was Champions Thing to Orge's Hulk. Icicle was way too close to her brother in the Champions Icestar comic book series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Not as close as Wanda and Pietro in The Ultimates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Icicle was way too close to her brother in the Champions Icestar comic book series. Yeah, that sounds like Heroic Publishing's Dennis Malonee. He liked to bring the kink to his comics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: He liked to bring the kink to his comics.Oh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allensh Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Yes I have to admit, I bought the first 10 issues or so of Heroic Publishing's Champions comics back in the day, and was somewhat less than enthused about the more gratuitous aspects, like how they turned Flare into...well you know..and all that. If you have to do that to sell your comics, then maybe you should not do comics...just sayin' Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Which may be why the Champions comic book line folded so quickly. The first mini-series had DEMON as the main villains and ended up with Goliath being killed off. The series was okay for the first ten issues or so with an attack by Mechanon, and Rose proving that she has a higher PD then you'd think. They even had third edition write ups of the characters in the various books. But then it got too weird and kinky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: But then it got too weird and kinky.Ironically, it might sell nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyber624 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Re: Whatever Happened To: Depends on the flavor of weird and kinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrito Boy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Re: Whatever Happened To: But then it got too weird and kinky. Ironically' date=' it might sell nowadays. [/quote'] Depends on the flavor of weird and kinky The Incredible Hunk. "Don't make me horny. You wouldn't like me when I'm horny." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phydaux Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Re: Whatever Happened To: There are other examples of this (the kinky stuff, I mean): Early Wonder Woman was just thinly veiled bondage porn. In City of Heroes on Pretorian Earth Tyrant is carrying on an affair with his own granddaughter. As far as stuff dropping out of the official CU, I miss Turtle Armor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Re: Whatever Happened To: As far as stuff dropping out of the official CU' date=' I miss Turtle Armor...[/quote'] This might be a good thread to talk about elements from the old CU that seem to have transitioned out of the current one. Here are a couple of names many long-time Champions players may have noticed a recent lack of: remember Neutron and his flunky Arc, two stalwarts of the classic villain team, the Conquerors? Their former teammate Ankylosaur got the 5E/6E treatment, but those two are not listed among the active supervillains. However, they are part of official continuity, in a way. Folks who purchased the 5E Stronghold supplement might have noticed their names among the list of inmates; but may not realize they got full write-ups in that book's PDF-only companion, The Stronghold Files. By the new continuity, Neutron was one of the greatest master villains of the 1970s and '80s. At his height he rivalled Marvel Comics's Magneto in power, genius, and ambition (although he had no particular pro-mutant agenda). He was captured in 1989, along with Arc (who's still his loyal minion), and the two have spent the intervening years in Stronghold. There's no mention in 6E books of whether either villain participated in the Stronghold breakout of 2009 (although they do appear in a Stronghold scenario in Champions Online), but for Neutron it may not make much difference. Age, and decades under Stronghold's power dampeners, have sapped his strength to the palest shadow of his former might. I think that if Arc made it out, he'd make a good recruit for Requiem and Frost's attempt to rebuild their team, Deathstroke. Arc is still a natural follower. I have also considered a scenario in which Neutron encounters the current official time-manipulating villain, Timelapse, who for his own mysterious purposes rejuvenates Neutron to his physical prime and the peak of his power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Re: Whatever Happened To: The Incredible Hunk. "Don't make me horny. You wouldn't like me when I'm horny." That's already been Rule 34'd, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Re: Whatever Happened To: BTW Seeker has a kind of presence in the current Champions Universe, too... but only as a comic-book character. The Champions licensed their likenesses to be used in a published comic series, but Nighthawk wouldn't sign, so Seeker was created to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phydaux Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Re: Whatever Happened To: in 1ed & 2ed the proto-hero was called, IIRC, Crusader. When Dark Champions came out he transitioned into Dark Crudader, with an overall power level downgrade and more skills. Don't know if he's in hte Champions universe at all now, as I haven't seen him since 3rd ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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