psyber624 Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I wouldn't recommend it right now but if you like REALLY powerful characters you might want to give "Galactic Champions" a glance. From what I understand it contains guidelines for playing much higher point total characters (I haven't had the pleasure of reading it yet but I have heard good things about it.) https://www.herogames.com/viewItem.htm?itemID=185452 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayinde Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Glad you have made good steps in creating your campaign so now I want to see what you have been able to flesh out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Personally I'm most proud of Batman's EB 5d6 AE One Hex VSFX [Any]. He can't use any of his movement powers while using it but it's effective against speedsters or those with shrinking, and can be anything from Magic to Kryptonite to Lasers to Sonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I'm just saying that if you have a 1000 point Superman or Batman you're going to have to have a 1000 points Luthor and Joker and then the NPC become ants and you lose all humanity and might have well be the Authority or some character written by Alan Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayinde Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. well at least a 1000 point organization lex is in control of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I see nothing wrong with a 1000 point Luthor. The "modern" version is "guy with an organisation" par excellence. The Mad Scientist version had bases all over the place, plus all the robots, death-rays and gizmos you can eat. The Lexor battlesuit version could go toe to toe with Superman. More to the point, though, most of Superman's opponents are much less powerful than him, or at least more narrowly focused. In addition, a 1000 point Superman would be much less powerful than you might at first imagine, since he has his points spread over such a massive range of abilities. Likewise, Batman would have some really Awesome vehicles, but he wouldn't be wildly better in a fight than a much cheaper specialised martial artist. There's a reason why you can build the Flash on a relatively small number of points - he's a highly specialised character, who does one thing extremely well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. My Lex Luthor homage to complement Odd Hat's New Circle (a mystically themed re-imagining of the JLU), Alex Abraxus, came in at 800 points...but with a clear open end on further followers and bases as the plot requires: 1 GM Tool: Whatever Followers Or Bases Necessary To The Plot (0 Active Points) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I'm just saying that if you have a 1000 point Superman or Batman you're going to have to have a 1000 points Luthor and Joker and then the NPC become ants and you lose all humanity and might have well be the Authority or some character written by Alan Moore. Nah, because the Joker always loses to Batman. Combat-wise, he's kind of a wuss. The Joker is just a themed plot-device-of-the-week character with followers and an evil plan. He's never actually gonna beat Batman. Batman spends loads of points on vehicles, bases, contacts, skills, gadgets, followers, and other stuff like that. But he doesn't really hit that hard and his defenses aren't high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I wouldn't recommend it right now but if you like REALLY powerful characters you might want to give "Galactic Champions" a glance. From what I understand it contains guidelines for playing much higher point total characters (I haven't had the pleasure of reading it yet but I have heard good things about it.) https://www.herogames.com/viewItem.htm?itemID=185452 Nice. I'm almost positive I'll eventually end up with this in PDF if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Glad you have made good steps in creating your campaign so now I want to see what you have been able to flesh out Eh? I have created a campaign? For Champions? Wow, now I know I'm good! Have no fear, I will soon have something for show and tell. I'm still designing her, but I will submit a superheroic NPC named Rocks Anna for review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Personally I'm most proud of Batman's EB 5d6 AE One Hex VSFX [Any]. He can't use any of his movement powers while using it but it's effective against speedsters or those with shrinking' date=' and can be anything from Magic to Kryptonite to Lasers to Sonics.[/quote'] He is chock full o' features! I did not fully appreciate this entry until you pointed it out. Sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I'm just saying that if you have a 1000 point Superman or Batman you're going to have to have a 1000 points Luthor and Joker and then the NPC become ants and you lose all humanity and might have well be the Authority or some character written by Alan Moore. That makes sense. It also sounds like a potentially interesting change-of-pace storyline too, right? Maybe to be followed by a turn at playing the villains. Mostly, to me, it sounds like more work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I see nothing wrong with a 1000 point Luthor. The "modern" version is "guy with an organisation" par excellence. The Mad Scientist version had bases all over the place, plus all the robots, death-rays and gizmos you can eat. The Lexor battlesuit version could go toe to toe with Superman. More to the point, though, most of Superman's opponents are much less powerful than him, or at least more narrowly focused. In addition, a 1000 point Superman would be much less powerful than you might at first imagine, since he has his points spread over such a massive range of abilities. Likewise, Batman would have some really Awesome vehicles, but he wouldn't be wildly better in a fight than a much cheaper specialised martial artist. There's a reason why you can build the Flash on a relatively small number of points - he's a highly specialised character, who does one thing extremely well. Nah, because the Joker always loses to Batman. Combat-wise, he's kind of a wuss. The Joker is just a themed plot-device-of-the-week character with followers and an evil plan. He's never actually gonna beat Batman. Batman spends loads of points on vehicles, bases, contacts, skills, gadgets, followers, and other stuff like that. But he doesn't really hit that hard and his defenses aren't high. These quick character dissections really catch my attention, as much for the technique as for the results. Very educational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. You can build a Batman with the vehicles and still keep him at 250 points. Or rather, you build Bruce Wayne with a Multiform 4x 250 Points (Batman, Batmobile, Batplane, and Batboat). Then you either use powers to simulate the vehicles (my preference) or buy vehicles themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. You can build a Batman with the vehicles and still keep him at 250 points. Or rather, you build Bruce Wayne with a Multiform 4x 250 Points (Batman, Batmobile, Batplane, and Batboat). Then you either use powers to simulate the vehicles (my preference) or buy vehicles themselves. I can do a lot of things on 250 points. But if I'm the GM I don't have to. Points are for players, silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. You can build a Batman with the vehicles and still keep him at 250 points. Or rather, you build Bruce Wayne with a Multiform 4x 250 Points (Batman, Batmobile, Batplane, and Batboat). Then you either use powers to simulate the vehicles (my preference) or buy vehicles themselves. This is a cool idea. It's different. It gets the job done in its own way. I like it: Batman as Transformer. It gives me an idea! A Batman-type mechanical character that really transforms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I can do a lot of things on 250 points. But if I'm the GM I don't have to. Points are for players' date=' silly.[/quote'] You do have a point. I probably need the training wheels (points) at the moment, but maybe later.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyber624 Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Of course there is the 3rd rule of HERO to remember Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. This is a cool idea. It's different. It gets the job done in its own way. I like it: Batman as Transformer. It gives me an idea! A Batman-type mechanical character that really transforms! Not exactly that, but: Mr. Goodspeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I think that if you're starting a campaign all the characters, both player and non- would have to be built on the same level. Maybe a few higher point characters as examples. If not you get an endless point arms race and we end up with a mutual assured destruction of a campaign because you've to the Penguin creating his own realities and dating Wonder Woman, and Emma Frost joining the X-Men and making them all transgendered. Oh, wait, they've already done that. It's called the New 52 and the New Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayinde Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I could not agree more cassandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Not exactly that' date=' but: [b']Mr. Goodspeed[/b] Thank you, Killer Shrike. I've favorited the website. Plenty of food for thought. I love the flying base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I think that if you're starting a campaign all the characters, both player and non- would have to be built on the same level. Maybe a few higher point characters as examples. If not you get an endless point arms race and we end up with a mutual assured destruction of a campaign because you've to the Penguin creating his own realities and dating Wonder Woman, and Emma Frost joining the X-Men and making them all transgendered. Oh, wait, they've already done that. It's called the New 52 and the New Universe. The way I'm planning it at the moment, it works out as you suggest. While I think there'll be some individuals at a variety of point levels in the world and in association with each other (you know, like the JLA), the local area where the PCs will be based (city of Oakhaven) will be 400 pointers as will be the largest percentage of Super-NPCs in general. I'm hoping this simplifies the learning process. And what's wrong with Emma Frost? She can visit Oakhaven any time she wants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. I don't have a problem with the telepathic Emma Frost, but what the heck toes that have to do with turning into a diamond? And if she is super strong in diamond form how could Magneto restrain her with brass bed post in X-Men First Class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 Re: Justice League-type DC/Champions campaign. Advice, please. Same way that Reed can restrain Ben, who is a lot stronger. By denying leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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