Sketchpad Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete I dug the C:NM version of the setting and felt it was a neat progression from 4th ed material, I really didn't mind Fuzion either, but would've liked to have seen the rules completed. Like Tasha, I ran C:NM during the Fuzion age and into 5th ed as my base world (which was also my 4th ed campaign as well), and, if I were still using the CU, I'd probably still use it I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I liked a lot of the redesigns as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete i just ordeed my copy of CC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Really? I hope this is not a prolific problem. It is likely the peeling lamination afflicts an entire print run to a greater or lesser extent. How can I say that? I've bound books like this since 1995 and I've run a laminator for 9 years of that. I've never personally encountered this where it was a spotty phenomenon. It's always affected the entire run. As an aside, this is a growing problem, or at least it is among the binderies around here*. Having said that, it's not the end of the world. The book will still hold together as it should, keeping those great rules in a single bundle of well-thumbed through pages. It's not like the book was going to stay in pristine condition anyways, right? I am sad that the lamination is peeling from my copy, but it hasn't stopped me from reading the rules or enjoying them. * The reasons for this are many and varied, but ultimately it boils down to the world-wide contraction in the industry. It is caught between the struggling global economies and the rise of the e-book and print-on-demand digital print. Long story short, the book as we know it is fading. The new book, the e-book, the print-on-demand digital book is rising. No secret there, but what this also means is that the major vendors who supply the print shops and binderies are also struggling. Many have either completely gone out of business or have shut down some of their facilities. In the face of this, their products have changed as they're making them as cheaply as they can. Hence the problem with peeling lamination. The cheaper heat-activated glue that binds the more expensive lamination to the cheaper (but also more expensive) ink on the cheaper, but more expensive paper isn't doing as good a job as it used to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojira Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Pretty much what I figured: forces well outside the control of Hero Games. Thanks for that 30 rundown of the printing industry, Sammael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Pretty much what I figured: forces well outside the control of Hero Games. Thanks for that 30 rundown of the printing industry' date=' Sammael[/quote'] Any time. As an aside, Champions Complete, in my opinion, is way too good a book to let something like peeling lamination deter anyone from picking it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojira Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Groan, "30 rundown" should be "30 second rundown..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammael Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Groan' date=' "30 rundown" should be "30 second rundown..."[/quote'] I was wondering. I figured it to be some kind of trucker terminology or something similar. Thanks for the correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCastle Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Just got my copy today. I do get to look through it a bit before it gets put away for Christmas. I have to say I like it. My big concern is that the pages will start to fall out once I start using it. Other than that, I am glad I got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Okay' date=' everybody who's been saying this is the kind of product they and their game groups have been wanting for years... time to pony up![/quote']i did i got my copy in yesterdays mail and readit this morning well done all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawangaKid Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete I have the PDF. I like what I've read so far. Btw, any chance the PDFs can be updated with minor typo corrections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete i just ordeed my copy of CC Then you should back Imaginary Friends, because it uses Champions Complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Ordered the bundle yesterday (put $50 on my debit card, cost me $47, $40 for the book, $7 total for S&H, and the debit card company took $2 for there fees. But it's worth it.) Have to wait for it to ship to me (planing on buying a E-Book Reader with my taxes, so it makes sence doing the bundle, even thoe I can't enjoy it now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyber624 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Its just a pdf so you know you can read it on any computer system right? even a laptop/tablet/etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomster Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete I've got the PDF and it's a very nice product indeed! Well done to all involved! It's a great mix of the 6E rules and a more old school feel. Love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Its just a pdf so you know you can read it on any computer system right? even a laptop/tablet/etc? Will it show up on my Nintendo DSi? Will it show up on the Nintendo 3DS I also plan on getting? Does any of thoes two systems suport the pdf format? Ya, that's what I thought...no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojira Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete What about the computer you're using now? I think that's what Psyber was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Will it show up on my Nintendo DSi? Will it show up on the Nintendo 3DS I also plan on getting? Does any of thoes two systems suport the pdf format? Ya, that's what I thought...no. What about the computer you're using now? I think that's what Psyber was referring to. ***sigh*** Steriaca, have you ever considered putting "I access the Internet through a Nintendo DS. I do not own a computer" in a signature line (or maybe your title)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Will it show up on my Nintendo DSi? Will it show up on the Nintendo 3DS I also plan on getting? Does any of thoes two systems suport the pdf format? Ya, that's what I thought...no. There are apparently programs available to make PDFs into images + HTML for the 3DS. It does require a computer to do the conversions from the brief information I found in a search, and apparently makes use of Dropbox to hold the resulting document. I haven't tried these methods, and don't own any portable from Nintendo higher than a DSlite. JoeG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete What about the computer you're using now? I think that's what Psyber was referring to. Well, sometimes I do use a Libary Computer, but MPL dosen't like people downloading things directly to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Hay, I am sorry I got the thread down. I ment my statment that I bought ChampCom to be a happy statment (I bought it, Hero Games/DOJ has my money, thay can use my money, thay can survive as a company, all is right in the world). Instead, it somehow became a 'woe-is-me-cause-I-can't-aford-a-computer' statment. And, exactly why should anyone beyond myself care? I'm not doing anything of world shatering importance. Now, enougth of the pity. Lets party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Pity-party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Pity-party? As in "woe is me, I can't afford a computer of my own". I never ment for it to turn out that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete Don't worry about it. Right now I'm lucky to be staying out of jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete aren'we all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Re: [New Product] Champions Complete I don't do enough to get arrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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