Hermit Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Fire: Tightly disciplined and cool headed. Intense training to avoid making mistakes and starting fires leads to the counter-stereotype leading a life of careful control. Speed: Easy-going procrastinator Patience learned from everything seeming to take forever, and the belief that there will always be plenty of time to do anything. Stealth: Loudmouth Loves to sneak up on people and then shout in their ear. Healer: Sadist You can inflict so much more pain when the damage is never permanent. Brick: Subtle and manipulative While there a lot of smart bricks, there are very few subtle ones. But why can't a mass of muscle be a calculating mind looking for the right buttons to press? While yeah, you can probably find counter stereotype examples, these are pretty good (And I've made a speedster like that, and one brick I considered sneaky) and it's always fun to tinker around with the classic riffs, turn em upside down or sideways. Fun thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping I remembered a subtle brick. Frankenstein's Monster. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping I also seem to recall that Golden Age Champions had an obese speedster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Subtle and manipulative (in the psychological sense) literally say "evil". But how could you build such a charater? Preferibly a good one... Sadly Doc Samson almost never tries to use psychology on his opponents. I suppose I see this idea as a character whose _powers_ are those of a brick, but who has the personality and skills of a spymaster and profiler, never deliberately going up against an opponent or recruiting an ally without extensive biographical research and a psychological profile built from it, knowing their motivations and fears. I also seem to recall that Golden Age Champions had an obese speedster. Yes. That Italian supervillains in World War II usually have some kind of jokey element about them reflecting Mussolini's poor performance and inferior position in the alliance is a stereotype in itself, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Perry Mason and Matlock are good examples of lawyers with different ways of doing things. Well, they usually (95%) defend people. Often Pro Bono. And someone who defends, is stereotypically good. Subtle brick: If you count him as a brick, I think Aizen from Bleach may qualify. He was so obsessive with using psychology, he even used it when totally unnessesary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Well, they usually (95%) defend people. Often Pro Bono. And someone who defends, is stereotypically good. Subtle brick: If you count him as a brick, I think Aizen from Bleach may qualify. He was so obsessive with using psychology, he even used it when totally unnessesary. Aizen's big power by comparison with his peers is his ability to create illusions in the minds of others, so no I wouldn't count him as a brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Aizen's big power by comparison with his peers is his ability to create illusions in the minds of others' date=' so no I wouldn't count him as a brick.[/quote'] Not only. Before the Hogh-thing (can't remeber the name from memory) transformed him, he could have beaten everyone except the Head Captain (which he disposed of, using Wonderweis). After that, only Ichigo could deal with him and only by using all of his powers. And he was pretty much immortal, greatly speaking for Brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Not only. Before the Hogh-thing (can't remeber the name from memory) transformed him, he could have beaten everyone except the Head Captain (which he disposed of, using Wonderweis). After that, only Ichigo could deal with him and only by using all of his powers. And he was pretty much immortal, greatly speaking for Brick. Yes, but the brick stereotype (that they operate by direct bashing of what stands in front of them) only applies to people who have nothing but strength and durability. People who have other powers like Superman or J'onn, don't fit into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping How about this for a brick A huge honking guy who afraid of getting hurt. This is a brick who's really a martial artist; High DCV low def and High Strength/Presence. He looks like a brick, has a speed of a brick but is actually a martial artist. Or a brick with high defenses but his major attack is mental illusions. Players always seem to assume that a low Dex and Speed equals some type of brick or that High Dex and Speed is a martial artist. This is easy enough to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Electricity: A zen meditator at one with the electricity that flows through all things. Force Shields Reckless adrenalin junkie and party animal. Uses his shields at the last moment to save his life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping a better example of a brick from bleach is Chad or Kenpachi. It's hard to say with Aizen since no one seems really that strong compared to each other, but they all have weird abilities. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping One of my personal favorites: "What animal instincts?" The bestial character, whether were-creature or non-changing anthropomorphic, who does not demonstrate any behaviors stereotypical of their appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Nice try, but won't work ;-) Ice: Iceman especially the Rouge from X-Men 2 found him very "loveable" Death: argaubly: 90% of the Shinigami from Bleach; Rin from the webcomic "Guests in Purgatory" Mentalist: Psi Footsoldier (otherwise, they'd be leading). (Emphasis added) Are you speaking of the make-up rouge (pronounced "roozh") or the mutant with power-absorbing powers, Rogue? Sorry if it was just a misspelling but I seem to see a lot of online discussions where her name is spelled like the cheek-reddening make-up. Perhaps I'm in a touchy mood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping One of my personal favorites: "What animal instincts?" The bestial character, whether were-creature or non-changing anthropomorphic, who does not demonstrate any behaviors stereotypical of their appearance. What, like the Hank McCoy/the Beast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Are you speaking of the make-up rouge (pronounced "roozh") or the mutant with power-absorbing powers' date=' Rogue?[/quote'] I extra look up the name in Wikipedia, and then I copy and paste the wrong one What' date=' like the Hank McCoy/the Beast?[/quote'] Or Bruce Banner, aka "Were-Hulk". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted March 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Come to think of it, the un-green Atlanteans who threaten the surface world with their gaseous pollution are a counter-stereotype as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping Come to think of it' date=' the un-green Atlanteans who threaten the surface world with their gaseous pollution are a counter-stereotype as well.[/quote'] I used to have that problem, but a change in diet reduced my toxic emissions to safe levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping While Johnny Storm does have a phenomenal degree of control over his flame compared to pretty much any other fire user, this isn't reflected in his personality, which is the stereotypical rash and hot-tempered. Smart isn't the same thing as subtle and manipulative. I was thinking he was talking about the Original Human Torch who was an android. Subtle Brick, How about the Archetype for every brick. The Man of Bronze Doc Savage?. Superstrong, yet is smart enough to make Reed Richards look slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping What' date=' like the Hank McCoy/the Beast?[/quote'] Maybe, but I was thinking more like, perhaps, early Wolfsbane. Arguably, the TMNT would qualify, as would most of the Sonic characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karmakaze Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping One of my personal favorites: "What animal instincts?" The bestial character, whether were-creature or non-changing anthropomorphic, who does not demonstrate any behaviors stereotypical of their appearance. I enjoyed the one-liner from one of the JL cartoons when Vixen was asked about jungles and she just gives a blank look. "What makes you think I know anything about the jungle? I live in a loft in Chelsea." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsatow Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping LOL, on counter stereotyping, I was just thinking something like a werewolf but its a werehuman. So I can just see a villain who on the night of the full moons, turns into a savage human and can only be stopped with a silver bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping LOL, on counter stereotyping, I was just thinking something like a werewolf but its a werehuman. So I can just see a villain who on the night of the full moons, turns into a savage human and can only be stopped with a silver bullet. I think there was a villain along those lines in Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping I think there was a villain along those lines in Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew. The Wuz Wolf CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping I just realized that one of my characters in Champions Online goes against type. I started Red Streak as a simple Soldier archetype, with a bunch of guns. But then it came time to choose a Travel Power, and the best one I could see was Superspeed. So she runs super-fast, but unlike typical speedsters she doesn't fight with her fists -- she shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Re: Counter-stereotyping I enjoyed the one-liner from one of the JL cartoons when Vixen was asked about jungles and she just gives a blank look. "What makes you think I know anything about the jungle? I live in a loft in Chelsea." Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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