Lavek Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I'm trying to make an energy blast that affects everyone in an AOE radius, and the damage is divided evenly among them. Further more it can only affect a maximum number of people based on the DCs used. For now I'll say 1:1 for ease of defining it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Hmm, build it normally and add this Limitation: "Divide Damage Equally Amongst Targets, Maximum Number Of Targets = DCs Of Attack" I'd set it to -1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack It seems like you are trying to re-engineer the spreading rules. I hope this isn't going into a framework as the active cost is going to be enormous if you want it to still be effective with that limitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack I also recommend thinking about what you mean exactly by "the damage is divided equally". example: lifting STR is doubled or halved by every 5 points added or subtracted. A 60 STR character can exert 55 lifting strength in each 'arm'. You might want to use a similar scaling for the damage reduction for multiple targets as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thia Halmades Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack I'm with HM on this; so the concept is that you deal, say, 7 DC over 7 meters, and everyone in each hex takes 1 DC? I don't know that's -1, that's more like -2. The premise of AOE is to hit everyone in the strikezone with the listed amount of damage. What are you trying to do differently from this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavek Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Cause a discharge in a limited radius around the character, that arcs to the targets around him, but does less damage depending on how many there are. And really it's based on increments of the blast rather than actual DCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Cause a discharge in a limited radius around the character' date=' that arcs to the targets around him, but does less damage depending on how many there are. And really it's based on increments of the blast rather than actual DCs.[/quote'] I'd call that a variation on Explosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack If I were the GM, I'd want to know what counts as a target. Normal AoE effects everything/everyone in the area at the given number of dice, so target definition isnt really that important. Everyone/everything gets damaged. With this power, though, it could be important to know if a cloud of 100 gnats is in the area of effect. Or, if gnats dont count, that the power has no real effect on certain powers based on their 'hundreds of bting/stinging insects attack' special effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Hmm. You could give it -1 DC if there are two targets in the zone, -2 DC for four, -3 DC for eight, and so forth. Not sure how big a limitation that would be off the top of my head, though ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thia Halmades Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack So... Character -- Um... Detonation Man -- does the whole KaMeHaMeHa! thing and the world break in a perfect jagged concrete circle around him. Groovy. That's an AOE, Hole in the Middle or Personal Immunity (I'd go Hole in the Middle), Explosion. Explosion by nature reduces the DCs over the spread, so those closest get the biggest bang, then each layer down loses 1 DC. Done and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack So... Character -- Um... Detonation Man -- does the whole KaMeHaMeHa! thing and the world break in a perfect jagged concrete circle around him. Groovy. That's an AOE, Hole in the Middle or Personal Immunity (I'd go Hole in the Middle), Explosion. Explosion by nature reduces the DCs over the spread, so those closest get the biggest bang, then each layer down loses 1 DC. Done and done. Except that explosion is an even distribution based on distance - not number of targets involved. The thing about Explosion is that if all the targets are close they all get the big damage, if they're all far away they all get the lesser damage, with a spread in the middle. The OP I believe was trying to hit everyone equally, damage based on number of targets not a static distance: more targets is less damage, less targets is more damage. It looks like a variant on explosion, but I think it's more restrictive, possibly less predictable unless one can choose the number of targets manually; if yes possibly the same value as Explosion. If no - the targets get divided up equally just by virtue of being a target in the field, I'd say it's worth more than an Explosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Does feel like you should be able to do this with the spreading rules. Or autofire. Maybe something I'm overlooking in variable advantage, Damage class * Targets = a constant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack it still depends on how you define targets. Does a floating piece of newspaper count? How about that butterfly? That mouse in that mouse hole? The blaster rifle that agent is carrying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack I looks like Spreading - but it's not. The OP said divided evenly, if you hit to targets with a 4DC attack that's 2DCs per target, not - per Spreading 3DCs per target. Also, Spreading states targets must be adjacent (unless the GM says otherwise - putting that firmly outside standard spreading rules). Also, I had the feeling the OP was going for the AoE 3DCV aspect, not trying to hit each target separately. No, I think I disagree completely that this is Spreading an Attack. It's neither spreading, nor simply an explosion. Bit of both, but not either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Does feel like you should be able to do this with the spreading rules. Or autofire. Ooo! I like that idea. So, you have autofire and a maximum number of shots (with NCC on the number of shots fired). However, instead of taking a -1 per target you take a -1DC per target. I think that I would call the modifier x1/2 and call the rest a wash. :-) Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ockham's Spoon Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Ooo! I like that idea. So, you have autofire and a maximum number of shots (with NCC on the number of shots fired). However, instead of taking a -1 per target you take a -1DC per target. I think that I would call the modifier x1/2 and call the rest a wash. :-) Doc I like this; simple, balanced, and captures the effect nicely. Good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavek Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack I'll take a look at that. If it helps the special effect is electricity. It's supposed to be something like what a tesla coil does as it arcs around a room. Targets are people, and animals that would draw the current (a mouse would probably not be enough) along with roughly human sized (or larger) metal objects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Ah, you see, special effect is the icing on the cake in HERO. You did a good job of describing the game effect (I think) and you create that from the powers in the rules. The special effect is what you use to justify having a power with such effects. It should not really matter if it was electricity, fire or jumping insects that drove the special effects. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Another way to do this would be with a Multipower. One slot would have the attack at full value (representing a single target), and the rest would have AoE: Any Area representing the number of targets, with appropriately scaled damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack Another way to do this would be with a Multipower. One slot would have the attack at full value (representing a single target)' date=' and the rest would have AoE: Any Area representing the number of targets, with appropriately scaled damage.[/quote'] My only issue with this is that you would be paying more to limit your power - each slot with an additional number of people would cost more points but be a smaller amount of damage for a greater number of people... Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Re: Proportional area attack So, what's the math you are figuring here? Because something like: 1 target = 12DC 2 targets = 11DC 3 targets = 10DC This seems potentially useful... by contrast, evenly dividing the damage seems to indicate: 1 target = 12DC 2 targets = 6DC 3 targets = 4DC Seems like a waste of points that anyone with a moderate amount of defenses will laugh off unless those DC's are NND/AVAD, Penetrating or what have you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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