Savinien Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts No biggie. We'd get through it. I've never culminated any of that in any of the various campaigns I've run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts I'm sorry to say that I've already encountered some information regarding a Fourth Age campaign of yours on the forums. Something about Sauron's daughter manipulating things via mental influence on nobles' date=' trying to stir up a civil war so that she can step in and be the miraculous savior?[/quote'] Course, I am a bit hesitant to know who/what Sauron mated with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Well, he did set Shelob up with her own apartment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Typist Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Course' date=' I am a bit hesitant to know who/what Sauron mated with.[/quote'] According to Wikipedia, an elf back when he was welcome in their court and his corruption wasn't obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Why are girls always attracted to bad guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Why are girls always attracted to bad guys? Because the good guys are usually much duller company.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts But, we havent covered the big question Is she hot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts According to Wikipedia' date=' an elf back when he was welcome in their court and his corruption wasn't obvious.[/quote'] He supposedly got it on with ringsmith Celebrimbor's daughter, when he visited Eregion as Annatar the Lord of Gifts. When he later laid waste to Eregion, he took the fruit of the union with him back to Mordor. The daughter ended up as the governor of the lands around Lake Núrnen, the bread basket of Sauron's realm. But, we havent covered the big question Is she hot? She being the offspring of a Maia and a member of the highest royal family of the Elves, that's a pretty big factor in the "Hell Yes!" column. I mean, she's almost as highborn as Lúthien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts He supposedly got it on with ringsmith Celebrimbor's daughter, when he visited Eregion as Annatar the Lord of Gifts. When he later laid waste to Eregion, he took the fruit of the union with him back to Mordor. The daughter ended up as the governor of the lands around Lake Núrnen, the bread basket of Sauron's realm. She being the offspring of a Maia and a member of the highest royal family of the Elves, that's a pretty big factor in the "Hell Yes!" column. I mean, she's almost as highborn as Lúthien. What book is this from? I've never encountered this story before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts I can't place it -- if it's one of Tolkien's unpublished stories, I can't find it. I've never read it myself, and I doubt it was more than a passing fancy on the Professor's part. I tried The Encyclopedia of Arda, but no luck there. Maybe I dreamt it up myself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Although I recall reading that the kingdom of Dale sent a representative to Aragorn's coronation, I don't remember specific mention of its king willingly accepting the overlordship of King Elessar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts What book is this from? I've never encountered this story before. You could subscribe to the MERP yahoo group, that is where I first heard of it. But that said, IIRC (a very weak recall mind you) this 1/2 Maia was a somebody's campaign Big Bad, that became almost canon. The idea was in the To Cool Not To Be True catagory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Although I recall reading that the kingdom of Dale sent a representative to Aragorn's coronation' date=' I don't remember specific mention of its king willingly accepting the overlordship of King Elessar.[/quote'] I doubt if they did. I'm not sure if Dale and Esgaroth were ever under Gondoroid jurisdiction, and they were pretty big on being independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcamtar Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Morgoth had many servants, Sauron was only the chief of them. When Morgoth was removed, his servants remained and Sauron gained control over them and became the new chief. It seems likely that after Sauron is overthrown, other (lesser) maiar may remain. Perhaps these are more like local demons, but they may still be powerful enough to assemble armies and terrorize the countryside. Certainly they might be worshipped locally by cults as godlings. Balrogs would certainly fit in this category, as would Shelob, though there could even exist more powerful maiar who are still able to assume fair form. I wonder too: there were one, three, seven, and nine rings... why not five? Maybe there were five rings of great power that never entered into the story, possibly being given to lieutenants or something. In the fourth age, these might still be extant and could augment the power of five would-be dark lords, competing with each other to become pre-eminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Morgoth had many servants' date=' Sauron was only the chief of them. When Morgoth was removed, his servants remained and Sauron gained control over them and became the new chief. It seems likely that after Sauron is overthrown, other (lesser) maiar may remain. Perhaps these are more like local demons, but they may still be powerful enough to assemble armies and terrorize the countryside. Certainly they might be worshipped locally by cults as godlings. Balrogs would certainly fit in this category, as would Shelob, though there could even exist more powerful maiar who are still able to assume fair form.[/quote'] You know... Shelob was of the spawn of Ungoliant, the spirit of Unlight who helped Morgoth destroy the Two Trees. The Silmarillion says that Ungoliant traveled far to the South after fleeing from Morgoth's Balrogs, where it's believed in her hunger she devoured herself. Not for certain, though... also doesn't mention what she spawned down there. I wonder too: there were one' date=' three, seven, and nine rings... why not five? Maybe there [i']were[/i] five rings of great power that never entered into the story, possibly being given to lieutenants or something. In the fourth age, these might still be extant and could augment the power of five would-be dark lords, competing with each other to become pre-eminent. Wouldn't matter if there were Five Rings, unfortunately. The fates of all the Rings of Power were tied to that of the One Ring. After it was destroyed all the other Rings would lose their power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Morgoth had many servants, Sauron was only the chief of them. When Morgoth was removed, his servants remained and Sauron gained control over them and became the new chief. It seems likely that after Sauron is overthrown, other (lesser) maiar may remain. Perhaps these are more like local demons, but they may still be powerful enough to assemble armies and terrorize the countryside. Certainly they might be worshipped locally by cults as godlings. Balrogs would certainly fit in this category, as would Shelob, though there could even exist more powerful maiar who are still able to assume fair form. I wonder too: there were one, three, seven, and nine rings... why not five? Maybe there were five rings of great power that never entered into the story, possibly being given to lieutenants or something. In the fourth age, these might still be extant and could augment the power of five would-be dark lords, competing with each other to become pre-eminent. I dont know, whenever I think 5 rings, I think of Captain Planet *shudder* Although. In a more sinister way. You take the 4 element ones, and replace the Heart ring with something more sinister (and non-lame) that would be interesting in a campaign (probably not LOTR though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts You know... Shelob was of the spawn of Ungoliant' date=' the spirit of Unlight who helped Morgoth destroy the Two Trees. [i']The Silmarillion[/i] says that Ungoliant traveled far to the South after fleeing from Morgoth's Balrogs, where it's believed in her hunger she devoured herself. Not for certain, though... also doesn't mention what she spawned down there. Wouldn't matter if there were Five Rings, unfortunately. The fates of all the Rings of Power were tied to that of the One Ring. After it was destroyed all the other Rings would lose their power. Although, maybe a daughter of Sauron might have created her own rings. Having 5 Dark Lords working behind the scenes in various countries, subtly manipulating things..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Rings or not, any child spawned and raised by Sauron would have to be almost unimaginably evil. I'd envision her as being more of an in-person villain who accomplishes her evil through charm and deceit, though, as opposed to the nebulous big evil that her daddy was. She could pose as a great Eastern queen come to pay her respects to the returned King of Gondor now that Sauron has been defeated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts There might also be one of the more powerful Elves who doesn't want to travel West with the rest of his race, or be supplanted by Men on Middle Earth. I believe Thranduil, lord of the Elves of Mirkwood (and Legolas's father) remains in ME a long time after the War of the Ring. Or maybe Goldberry finally realizes how crazy Tom Bombadil is and leaves him, and a broken heart drives Tom totally postal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts There might also be one of the more powerful Elves who doesn't want to travel West with the rest of his race, or be supplanted by Men on Middle Earth. I believe Thranduil, lord of the Elves of Mirkwood (and Legolas's father) remains in ME a long time after the War of the Ring. Or maybe Goldberry finally realizes how crazy Tom Bombadil is and leaves him, and a broken heart drives Tom totally postal. If Goldberry is free to date again, I'm calling dibs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savinien Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts There was mention of a Fading of Elves that did not return West. I pictured them as ghasts or some sort of vampire. I envisioned using them somewhere, sometime during the campaign (s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts If Goldberry is free to date again' date=' I'm calling dibs! [/quote'] Remember Tom is a bit off his rocker. He may be one of those guys who tries to get revenge on the new guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts I'll keep that in mind. He doesn't quite strike me as that type, though. As for Sauron's daughter, I had seen something like that somewhere, perhaps in another thread. One description I read is that she is beautiful, but except for her head and neck, her body is covered with scales. That's why she's always dressed in long, loose-fitting robes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Sauron could still assume a fair-seeming form until he was caught in the destruction of Numenor, so any child conceived before that event might appear beautiful, without any grotesque features. Of course, the issue would be, where has she been all this time... ... and the answer, for Sauron's daughter, the last of the Balrogs, or any other potential rival to the Dark Lord, might be: imprisoned beneath the Barad-dur. As long as the One Ring endured, the foundation of Sauron's fortress remained intact and the tower could be raised anew upon it. With the Ring destroyed the foundation crumbled -- and anything trapped beneath it might have escaped into the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Re: LOTR thoughts Sauron could still assume a fair-seeming form until he was caught in the destruction of Numenor, so any child conceived before that event might appear beautiful, without any grotesque features. Of course, the issue would be, where has she been all this time... ... and the answer, for Sauron's daughter, the last of the Balrogs, or any other potential rival to the Dark Lord, might be: imprisoned beneath the Barad-dur. As long as the One Ring endured, the foundation of Sauron's fortress remained intact and the tower could be raised anew upon it. With the Ring destroyed the foundation crumbled -- and anything trapped beneath it might have escaped into the world. Then, the question becomes: Why he imprisoned his daughter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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