Susano Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Is Ben Franklin or any of the other Founding Fathers included as a mythic archetype? Probably not. However... I'm strongly leaning leaning towards putting Teddy Roosevelt in the modern-era book if/when it comes out. If so, I'll have to mention George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Andrew Jackson. Also, since I want to include Nicola Tesla as the Mad Scientist, I'll need to mention other inventors, such as Franklin, GW Carver, and Edison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America There will be rules in King of the Mountain (very loose) for running the adventure in Michael Surbrook's Mythic America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America There will be rules in King of the Mountain (very loose) for running the adventure in Michael Surbrook's Mythic America. Can you expand on that any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Sure. You let me review your draft at some point, so I looked at the power levels, figured out ways to edit the plot, and said "Change this, but not this." Very generalized. Still useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America So, Mike Fink, "king of the keelboatmen" is done. Now I tackle one of the literal giants of American folklore, Paul Bunyan. I already have 4,500 words on him, and actually don't need to add a lot more. However, I do want to mention Tony Beaver, Cal Bunyan, and a few others. I also have to format portions to match the new layout we've settled on. BTW -- Paul totals in at 1,150 points of truly mythic hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America So' date=' Mike Fink, "king of the keelboatmen" is done. Now I tackle one of the literal giants of American folklore, Paul Bunyan. I already have 4,500 words on him, and actually don't need to add a lot more. However, I do want to mention Tony Beaver, Cal Bunyan, and a few others. I also have to format portions to match the new layout we've settled on. BTW -- Paul totals in at 1,150 points of truly mythic hero.[/quote'] As I recall I found Gods weigh in at 2,000+ points, so that makes Paul Bunyan a Demigod. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wonders if he's a Demogod - a God of the People Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America As I recall I found Gods weigh in at 2,000+ points, so that makes Paul Bunyan a Demigod. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wonders if he's a Demogod - a God of the People My Olympians weighed in between 1500-2100+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America One of my Campaign Use suggestions for Paul Bunyan would be to make him into a Fantasy Hero god -- a protector of the forests and a patron of rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America that's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Probably not. However... I'm strongly leaning leaning towards putting Teddy Roosevelt in the modern-era book if/when it comes out. If os' date=' I'll have to mention George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Andrew Jackson. Also, since I want to include Nicola Tesla as the Mad Scientist, I'll need to mention other inventors, such as Franklin, GW Carver, and Edison.[/quote'] You can include A. A. Michelson among those, though perhaps he's more famous among the pros than among the general population. Got a frontiersman archetype, like Daniel Boone, Jim Bowie, Kit Carson, etc., rolled up into one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America You can include A. A. Michelson among those, though perhaps he's more famous among the pros than among the general population. Got a frontiersman archetype, like Daniel Boone, Jim Bowie, Kit Carson, etc., rolled up into one? From April I've completed Davy Crockett' date=' the Backwoodsman. You also get to read about Daniel Boone (who kilt a bar around here), Jim Bowie and the Sandbar Fight, and one of the fathers of the US Army Rangers -- Robert Rodgers. Next is Johnny Appleseed, who probably won't have any contemporary characters, as he's a rather unique individual.[/quote'] Leaving that out would be almost like leaving out cowboys. Some writers, inferior to Mr. Surbrook, might write "Mythic America" and leave out the pioneer-frontiersman archetype such as Crockett and Boone, but not Susano. I think we've also discussed in thread the "mountain man" type (arguably a slightly different archetype) including "Liver-eatin' Johnson" the Crow Killer at the violent end of the spectrum and Grizzly Adams at the more peacable (but I still wouldn't mess with a man backed by a bear) end. Lucius Alexander Palindromedary Alexander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Paul Bunyan is done. I'm now going to work on the broad-spectrum "Occupational Hero." This will feature Febold Feboldson (farmer and pioneer), Joe Magarac (steel worker), and John Henry (steel driver.) While much of the book is taken up with occupational heroes, these three (at least) are rather limited in scope and not part of a larger body of similar individuals. Also, they'll let me mention a slew of secondary tall-tales heroes, such as Slappy Hooper and Casey Jones. I've also decided that I need to put Emperor Norton into the book. He's too crazy awesome not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America think we've also discussed in thread the "mountain man" type (arguably a slightly different archetype) including "Liver-eatin' Johnson" the Crow Killer at the violent end of the spectrum and Grizzly Adams at the more peacable (but I still wouldn't mess with a man backed by a bear) end. "Liver-eatin' Johnson" will appear, as will Calamity Jane. Both will be 6E adaptions of Jason Walter's work for You Gotta Have Character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Paul Bunyan is done. I'm now going to work on the broad-spectrum "Occupational Hero." This will feature Febold Feboldson (farmer and pioneer), Joe Magarac (steel worker), and John Henry (steel driver.) While much of the book is taken up with occupational heroes, these three (at least) are rather limited in scope and not part of a larger body of similar individuals. Also, they'll let me mention a slew of secondary tall-tales heroes, such as Slappy Hooper and Casey Jones. I've also decided that I need to put Emperor Norton into the book. He's too crazy awesome not to. I suppose you're pointing out which of these people, like Casey Jones and John Henry, were actual historical persons - sometimes perhaps as amazing as their legendary selves? "Liver-eatin' Johnson" will appear' date=' as will Calamity Jane. Both will be 6E adaptions of Jason Walter's work for [i']You Gotta Have Character[/i]. Good! Why let good work go to waste? Lucius Alexander The palindromedary thinks Surbrook's Stuff should have a category for "Real People" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America I suppose you're pointing out which of these people' date=' like Casey Jones and John Henry, were actual historical persons - sometimes perhaps as amazing as their legendary selves?[/quote'] Casey Jones is a real person, John Henry doesn't seem to be. Good! Why let good work go to waste? Lucius Alexander The palindromedary thinks Surbrook's Stuff should have a category for "Real People" It's here: http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptationsassorted/asstdchar.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Casey Jones is a real person' date=' John Henry doesn't seem to be.[/quote'] Really? I could have sworn that I read about a lawsuit filed by his widow against the first songwriter to compose a ballad about him. As for Surbrook's Stuff, It's here: http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptationsassorted/asstdchar.html I should have known the most complete Hero resource on the net would already have it. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary thinks I should check more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Busy day... I tackled Febold Feboldson, Joe Magarac, and John Henry. All three are part of one 'super archetype' the Occupational Hero. While most of the book is about various , Occupational Heroes, these three are sort of unique, in that there's not a lot of stories about other steel drivers, or steel workers, or sod busters, whereas Paul Bunyan has Tony Beaver, Cal Bunyan, and some other lumberjacks sharing the spotlight. I think Pecos Bill will be another super archetype, since the Old West could be a subsection all its own. If so, that's where you'll find the gunfighters, sharpshooters, gamblers, outlaws, and lawmen. I also want to include Emperor Norton and am strongly considering putting Nikolai Tesla in the book, since he did a lot of his work pre-1900. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America A quick taste of the text: "Joe Magarac is a seven-foot man of living metal, who can lift a 50 ton crucible, stand unharmed in liquid steel, and form cannonballs with his bare hands. His use in a Champions campaign should be obvious." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America Here's a quick status report: I've hit 47,000 words and created material for the following characters: Alfred Bulltop Stormalong, Babe the Blue Ox, Blackbeard, Davy Crockett, Febold Feboldson, Joe Magarac, John Henry, Johnny Appleseed, Mike Fink, Paul Bunyan, Peter Francsico, Stackalee. Each has a template, related characters, and other notes. I also have an incomplete Pecos Bill and Widow-Maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America We're looking at 4 eras for the book -- Colonial, Tall-Tales, Wild West, and Post-War. Also, 80,000 to 120,000 words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America I'm tempted to suggest Chuck Norris for a future edition, but I don't think Hero Designer was really designed for point levels that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America In the modern era, I think a case could be built around Richard Feynman, the brilliant, abrasive, misogynistic "Genius from Mars". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America A sampling of the intended content: TALL-TALES ERA Blue-Water Sailor: Alfred Bulltop Stormalong Related Characters: Barnabas “Tall Barney” Beal, Bowleg Bill, Ichabod Paddock, John Paul Jones, Ocean-Born Mary, Windwagon Smith Related Ships: USS Constitution, USS Monitor, USS Enterprise, SS Edmund Fitzgerald, DSV Alvin Occupational Hero Febold Feboldson John Henry Joe Magarac Related Characters: Gib Morgan, Henry “Ole Pete” Peterson, John Luther “Casey” Jones, Kemp Morgan, Mose “the Bowery B’hoy” Humphrey, Old John, Slappy Hooper Lumberjack: Paul Bunyan & Babe the Blue Ox Related Characters: Cal S. Bunyan, Cherry Tree Joe, Cordwood Pete, Febold Feboldson, Johnny Kaw, Pecos Bill, Tony Beaver and major figures in Paul’s logging gang (at least a dozen characters and templates.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted June 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America I just finished a biography of Billy the Kid. He'll be included as a "Shootist" as the term "Gunslinger" is from the 20th Century, while "Gunfighter" is from the very late 1800s. Other terms were "Man-Killer" or "Gun Man." Oh, and Billy looks to clock in at 280-300 points. Of course, I'll admit to trying for a more cinematic feel and not on that's 100% accurate to his presumed physical skills and abilities. I hope you don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Re: In Progress From Blackwyrm Games: Mythic America I just finished a biography of Billy the Kid. He'll be included as a "Shootist" as the term "Gunslinger" is from the 20th Century' date=' while "Gunfighter" is from the very late 1800s. Other terms were "Man-Killer" or "Gun Man." Oh, and Billy looks to clock in at 280-300 points. Of course, I'll admit to trying for a more cinematic feel and not on that's 100% accurate to his presumed physical skills and abilities. I hope you don't mind.[/quote'] In a product called "Mythic America?" As long as there's a note to the effect that the actual Billy the Kid was probably not this "cinematic" why would we mind? Lucius Alexander Mythic Palindromedary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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