Rigel Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I am running my first campaign in the official Champions Universe and I have a question for other CU GMs out there. The group will be caught in the middle of a situation where PRIMUS will intercept the players and the "bad guys" in the middle of combat. Since the superheroes are new and unknowns, PRIMUS is going to round up the whole group and start asking them questions downtown. Here is my question. Some of the players are not US citizens and one is not even a citizen anywhere on the planet (a true alien). Given the requirements of superhero registration, how do you think PRIMUS will handle foreigners and aliens? Would they allow foreigners to be registered and released or do you think PRIMUS would want to deport them or hand them over to someone else like UNTIL? What about the person who is truly an extraterrestrial alien? I appreciate the ideas and the suggestions. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? i think the normal laws for the courts in re imigration would apply [the champions sourcebooks i have do not cover super-hero registration] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? I think Bubba is perfectly right. You go before an immigration review panel, the judges review your status, PRIMUS puts in its two cents worth as required. ("We don't think it's safe having a walking nuclear reactor working in a New York coffee bar," versus "He saved Millenium City from Black Talon attacks 17 times yesterday. We like him.") Now, illegal aliens from other planets present novel problems under the law. They have no legitimate means of applying to visit the United States (no consulates on their planets!), and are presumably not resident at will. Inasmuch as the immigation service has no means of deporting them, the United States is stuck with them, and should probably just naturalise them jus solis in the same way that residents of places annexed to the United States are. Make 'em wait 5 years and take an exam, maybe, but naturalise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naanomi Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? I had a character who was a faerie-like spirit once who dealt with immigration. They couldn't deport me to the Spirit World... and were not even sure that spiritual beings *could* be citizens. Eventually I got offered citizenship through an Indian Reservation and got backdoor US citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Champions Universe implies that, while legally there are some complications, in practice the US government grants residency approval to aliens, magical beings, and such on a case by case basis. This is probably the best way to handle it, presuming say, there aren't enough alien visitors to actually have some form of consulate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? It sounds like it might be time to revive METE - the Metropolitan Extraterrestrial Enclave. They were originally in Organisation Book 1 and were reprinted in Alien Enemies. Aaron Allston, I believe. They haven't appeared in the current CU as far as I can recall. Pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? I don't believe registration is mandatory, although it does give you more slack with the authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Hawk Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? IIRC, registration is mandatory but unenforced. If arrested and convicted, you were registered whether you wanted to be or not. Voluntary registration was encouraged, and you couldn't get official sanction at any level without registering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? I think Bubba is perfectly right. You go before an immigration review panel, the judges review your status, PRIMUS puts in its two cents worth as required. ("We don't think it's safe having a walking nuclear reactor working in a New York coffee bar," versus "He saved Millenium City from Black Talon attacks 17 times yesterday. We like him.") Now, illegal aliens from other planets present novel problems under the law. They have no legitimate means of applying to visit the United States (no consulates on their planets!), and are presumably not resident at will. Inasmuch as the immigation service has no means of deporting them, the United States is stuck with them, and should probably just naturalise them jus solis in the same way that residents of places annexed to the United States are. Make 'em wait 5 years and take an exam, maybe, but naturalise them. you mean like how thesilver age SUPERMAN was depicted as a naturealized american because he was considered a DISASTER SURVIVOR because his homeeworld no longer existed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? you mean like how thesilver age SUPERMAN was depicted as a naturealized american because he was considered a DISASTER SURVIVOR because his homeeworld no longer existed Superman is a refugee? I never thought about that before .... cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Superman is a refugee? I never thought about that before .... cheers, Mark yes since jor-el sent him to earth as a baby to escapethe destruction of krypton he would have no place to go so deporting him to space would be considered [by silver age standards]cruel and unusual punishment so he'd be granted citzenship under extenuating circumstances though i understans the current superman comics are running a storyline where kryptonians are aparently seen as undisirable aliens[literaly and figureatively] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Ops Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? i think the normal laws for the courts in re imigration would apply [the champions sourcebooks i have do not cover super-hero registration] But what if they just waltz in to fight the big bad ? Like for Example the Avengers/JLA like to do ? Just do not ask, but do it ? I soo loved to clobber Kaufmanns butt, but alas he is no longer the Golden Weenie........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yansuf Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Are the non-US beings resident in the US, or just visiting? If they came into the US in pursuit of the villains the legal situation is very different than if they are residents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Are the non-US beings resident in the US, or just visiting? If they came into the US in pursuit of the villains the legal situation is very different than if they are residents. yes if they are law enforcment officers in their home coutry they could be in the US on legitamate police/agency business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Ops Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Well but if they are a private Team like the Champions ? (at least they did not buy the Perk AFAIK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigel Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Thanks for all the suggestions. Ultimately, the Justice Department was able to vouch for the "immigrants" (both terrestrial and extraterrestrial) and secure them temporary visas to remain in the United States. I had them appear before an immigration judge via a video link from inside a PRIMUS facility. They sowrn to abide by all US laws and make regular appearances with an immigration official. They are also now registered per the paranormal Registration Act. This may have been moot, since I believe the players are unhappy with their choices of characters and may be swapping them out shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? i think the normal laws for the courts in re imigration would apply [the champions sourcebooks i have do not cover super-hero registration] What edition do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Serpent Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? On full auto of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? you mean like how thesilver age SUPERMAN was depicted as a naturealized american because he was considered a DISASTER SURVIVOR because his homeeworld no longer existed During the "Armageddon 2001" summer annual crossover event back in '91, an alternate future Superman decided to run for President of the United States. Since a presidential candidate must by law be born in the USA, Superman turned over the ship which brought him to Earth. Tests proved that the artificial womb it carried had opened after landing in Kansas, so that Superman was technically "born" on American soil, hence automatically an American citizen. Whether that background detail has since been retconned, in today's comics continuity chaos I wouldn't presume to guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? During the "Armageddon 2001" summer annual crossover event back in '91, an alternate future Superman decided to run for President of the United States. Since a presidential candidate must by law be born in the USA, Superman turned over the ship which brought him to Earth. Tests proved that the artificial womb it carried had opened after landing in Kansas, so that Superman was technically "born" on American soil, hence automatically an American citizen. Whether that background detail has since been retconned, in today's comics continuity chaos I wouldn't presume to guess. That makes no sense. If I us a submersible to cross the great lakes into Canada does my “womb” of mini-sub give “birth” to me when I get there? I mean, seriously, that’s just horribly/poorly thought out, even for comic book logic… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? I'm betting you were more than just a cluster of cells when you entered the sub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? That makes no sense. If I us a submersible to cross the great lakes into Canada does my “womb” of mini-sub give “birth” to me when I get there? I mean' date=' seriously, that’s just horribly/poorly thought out, even for comic book logic…[/font'] I'm betting you were more than just a cluster of cells when you entered the sub And there's the crux of the matter. At that stage of comics continuity, Kryptonians had "progressed" beyond intercourse for conception. All their children were fertilized in vitro and carried to full term inside artificial wombs. Kal-El's fetus flew to Earth in that womb, so he never existed outside of it until it opened after landing in Kansas. That event was to all intents and purposes a "birth," the only difference being that Kal-El's surrogate mother was a machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? And there's the crux of the matter. At that stage of comics continuity' date=' Kryptonians had "progressed" beyond intercourse for conception. All their children were fertilized in vitro and carried to full term inside artificial wombs. Kal-El's fetus flew to Earth in that womb, so he never existed outside of it until it opened after landing in Kansas. That event was to all intents and purposes a "birth," the only difference being that Kal-El's surrogate mother was a machine. [/quote'] When did that retcon happen? He was a baby in every version I've ever seen including movies, cartoons, the radio version, and the original comic (as well as several other canon references since the original). Did they make this crap up for that one story or was it changed before that for some equally stupid reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Re: CU: How does PRIMUS handle foreigners? And there's the crux of the matter. At that stage of comics continuity' date=' Kryptonians had "progressed" beyond intercourse for conception. All their children were fertilized in vitro and carried to full term inside artificial wombs. Kal-El's fetus flew to Earth in that womb, so he never existed outside of it until it opened after landing in Kansas. That event was to all intents and purposes a "birth," the only difference being that Kal-El's surrogate mother was a machine. [/quote'] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS~!!!! (sorry, couldn't help it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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