quozaxx Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 How long does it take to change into a costume without instant change? A full Phase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume I believe it is a Full Phase to do so, but I'm AFB right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haerandir Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume To the best of my knowledge, it's not explicitly spelled out anywhere (there's no 'Costumes, chaniging in to' entry in the index to my copies of FRED or Champions, anyway). However, my group usually uses a Full Phase as the bare minimum (based on the rules for Only in Hero ID). Of course, it depends on the costume/circumstances, too. If you go out for your morning walk in your spandex, with a trenchcoat & fedora to cover it, you can probably 'change into costume' as a 0-phase action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Certified Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume There is an example in the Only in Hero ID for that limitation. I believe the correct answer what is appropriate for the Character? Would you hold a speedster like the Flash to the Full Phase limitation or hand wave it? Part of the question may need to cover are there disadvantages tied to being out of costume beyond a Secret ID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haerandir Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Well, I generally build my speedster characters with Instant Change, for that exact reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume There is an example in the Only in Hero ID for that limitation. I believe the correct answer what is appropriate for the Character? Would you hold a speedster like the Flash to the Full Phase limitation or hand wave it? Part of the question may need to cover are there disadvantages tied to being out of costume beyond a Secret ID? Um, a speedster probably has a high SPD. "one phase" is therefore a lot less time for the Flash than for, say, Batman. Lucius Alexander Does the palindromedary have a Public ID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume OIHID can take anywhere from 1 Phase to 1 Turn depending on the sfx (Billy Batson/Captain Marvel is probably a faster change than Tony Stark/Iron Man). Just changing from normal clothes into a spandex costume typically takes just 1 Phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Changing clothes takes 1 phase (pg 363, 5er, Actions Table) GM's discretion and dramatic sense applied as needed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quozaxx Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Changing clothes takes 1 phase (pg 363, 5er, Actions Table) GM's discretion and dramatic sense applied as needed... I actually looked for that. I knew it was somewhere. Must have overlooked it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume One phase? I know it takes me a lot longer than 6 seconds to change clothes! I guess that's a minor superpower known to all supers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJackBrass Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume One phase? I know it takes me a lot longer than 6 seconds to change clothes! Velcro seams, mate. Top tip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume The 1 Phase to change clothes rule makes OIHID one of the easiest limitations to claim. As long as it takes you longer than a single Phase to change your identity you are all set. Just remember that OIHID powers won't work in your non-hero ID and it is not really proper to stack OIHID with Focus limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume excerpt from page 302 ■ Character Creation: Power Modifiers Hero System 5th Edition, Revised ONLY IN HEROIC IDENTITY For this Limitation to be valid, the character must have some difficulty changing forms — the change must take at least a Full Phase, if not longer (during which the character can do nothing else), and/or there must be other difficulties or ways to prevent him from changing identities. For example, a character who defines his suit of powered armor with OIHID would probably require much longer than a Full Phase to put the armor on. A character whose transformation to his alternate identity requires him to speak a magic word can be gagged or otherwise silenced to prevent the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Plus, the whole secret ID thing. And unless you wear your costume under your clothes every moment of every day, taking OIHI could really screw you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume 1 Phase? Not even supermodels are that fast. And changing clothes is one of their superpowers. Hey, that's why they're called supermodels, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Legatus>> true, but I don't think it was realism specifically that they thought of. Besides, as the OIHID says, I think a phase to a turn fits fine. If you are wearing pants, shirt, coat, over your spandex, I could see a phase to pull 'em all off. Assuming you are already in a safe place to do so. If you carry it in your purse or backpack, a turn could fit better... so the GM judges as he sees fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume How long does it take to change into a costume without instant change? A full Phase? Shape Shift says it takes a Half Phase Action... ...oh, you mean change your clothes. Personally I'd say a minimum of a Turn, and that's assuming the character has them on underneath. My personal record for getting out of my daily clothes and into pajamas is three Turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Shape Shift says it takes a Half Phase Action... ...oh, you mean change your clothes. Personally I'd say a minimum of a Turn, and that's assuming the character has them on underneath. My personal record for getting out of my daily clothes and into pajamas is three Turns. That works until you consider that the official standard time for donning a full suit of Iron Man armor is 1 Turn. I think changing clothes should take less time than strapping 50 pounds of metal to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume Remember the Mythbusters Superhero Show? http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2007/08/episode_86_superhero_hour.html Phone booth change How fast can you change into a superhero outfit inside a phone booth? Kari(Myth Girl): 33 seconds Grant(Grant-Man): 1:01, partly due to his inabilty to get out of the booth Tory(The Spasm): 1:20, on the account of many accessories Myth Girl For The Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karmakaze Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume One phase? I know it takes me a lot longer than 6 seconds to change clothes! I guess that's a minor superpower known to all supers. And theater majors! Keep in mind though, that (at least as far as I am concerned), that 1 Phase is the time taken to remove outer clothing and pull on a mask. It should not include the time spend finding a hiding place, stowing the clothes, and then making it back into combat. Under most comic book circumstances, the costume change isn't taking place during combat time anyway. The character sneaks off, changes, and then combat starts when they turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume well, frankly, if you think in game terms it boils down to this... most combats take 1-2 turns at the most to resolve. Losing one phase is a serious knock. if you raise it to a turn the flaw becomes too great, missing most of a combat. it will practically never be used except as "off screen" where the delay is not taken from combat time at all, just a narrative like "we keep him talking while jimmy suits up" and by the time "phase 12 starts" everyone is ready to go or at most almost ready (back to the "lose one phase" or so) the disconnect is the ongoing disconnect between hero combat time accounting and the "real time estimate" and its much the same thing as how a superhero fight will resolve itself in under 30 seconds, well before any police or agency can reasonably respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Re: Changing into a costume 1 Phase? Not even supermodels are that fast. And changing clothes is one of their superpowers. Hey, that's why they're called supermodels, right? So apparently the average super hero previously worked as a Chippendales dancer and now wears street clothes with tear-away velcro tabs instead of buttons and zippers? (Hey, it would at least explain the physiques...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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