BobGreenwade Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm in the process of building a character with an interesting twist. I've had the character in abstract form for a while, and only now building him using Hero. The short form is this: the character has Multiple Personality Disorder, of a type often seen in fictional ventriloquists, wherein the dummy has a personality of his own. In this case, though, the "dummy" is just a face painted on the character's left hand. "Lefty" also has tremendous psychic powers that the main character doesn't have access to. My initial inclination was to build the human as the primary character, and "Lefty" as an AI and Follower, except that (1) "Lefty" holds considerable sway over the human, and (2) he's also much more powerful than the human thanks to those psychic powers. So maybe the AI should be the main character, and the Human should be the Follower. Or maybe they should be built in some other way. What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomusPrime Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Re: A person and an AI It would likely be easier to simply give the character powerful psychic abilities with some severe limitations like gestures and foci, along with disadvantages that limit when and how the specific power can be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I wouldn't make them separate characters at all. After all, they can't be damaged independently, right? So, from what you've described so far, "Lefty" sounds like the SFX for some strong Psych Lims and some unusual Limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Re: A person and an AI Don't forget mental defense - or mental damage reduction - or maybe just a high EDCV. "There's two minds in there. Which one should I try and control?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted July 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I do want them separate enough that they are individuals. It will be possible, for example, to knock one out and not the other -- and either could remain conscious while the other is out. Yes, that means "Lefty" can still move, talk, and use his psychic powers even while the rest of the human's body is immobilized. He can even still see if the human's face is covered. (The general feel is somewhere between creepy and comedic, with the latter taking precedence should the two conflict.) And this leaves to another matter of how to represent when "Lefty" actually becomes immobilized -- damage or cover the human's hand, or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I do want them separate enough that they are individuals. It will be possible, for example, to knock one out and not the other -- and either could remain conscious while the other is out. Yes, that means "Lefty" can still move, talk, and use his psychic powers even while the rest of the human's body is immobilized. He can even still see if the human's face is covered. (The general feel is somewhere between creepy and comedic, with the latter taking precedence should the two conflict.) And this leaves to another matter of how to represent when "Lefty" actually becomes immobilized -- damage or cover the human's hand, or whatever. Sounds almost like The Human Ton and Handy. ( ) Edit: you'll find a detailed description on this page: The Ticklopedia: Honesty to Ivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utech Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI Look into Duplication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI Or maybe as a kind of multiform? This should require that both forms simultanously exist, though... This would be a multi-multiform... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I'd do it as Duplication, as per the Hydra in the bestiary. I think this is used for multiple minds in one body in Ultimate Mentalist as well. Lefty's a 100% different duplicate that can't separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSgt Baloo Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I did some searching. I asked a similar question a while back. I got my answers in this post and this other post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI it is Ash's hand gone to the side of the angels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I do want them separate enough that they are individuals. It will be possible, for example, to knock one out and not the other -- and either could remain conscious while the other is out. Yes, that means "Lefty" can still move, talk, and use his psychic powers even while the rest of the human's body is immobilized. He can even still see if the human's face is covered. (The general feel is somewhere between creepy and comedic, with the latter taking precedence should the two conflict.) And this leaves to another matter of how to represent when "Lefty" actually becomes immobilized -- damage or cover the human's hand, or whatever. Do Lefty and the Human have different characteristics? Can Lefty (for instance) use his mental powers on The Human? If so then they do sound like seperate characters, (especially if the latter is the case) but I'd still be inclined to avoid a power and just do it with disadvantages and limitations if I could. If you want them as seperate then I would not use 'Follower' unless they can survive independently. Single Body Duplication, Can't recombine (possibly with IPE as Lefty is not 'visible' sounds about right. Possibly even a triggered multiform - The Human who can access mental power through Lefty (but that takes a little longer as he has to ask Lefty to do things, so The Human has the mental powers bought with incantations and extra time) and Lefty who emerges (triggered multiform) when The Human is KO'd (and has more useful versions of the same mental powers - no limitations - but severe physical problems). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Re: A person and an AI Duplication, Cannot Recombine (-0). Consider Feedback if some damage carries over from one to the other. BTW, very creepily cool idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted July 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I'm liking the Duplication solution. But which character, in your general opinion(s), should be the primary character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Re: A person and an AI I'm liking the Duplication solution. But which character, in your general opinion(s), should be the primary character? Whoever is built on the most points, as it's a bit cheaper that way (IIRC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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