Guest voodoo54 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Well, it didn't. It killed their horses, which were ordinary flesh and blood (if a bit psychotic) and shredded their clothes and gear. They all turn up again later, good as a box of fluffy kittens, and obviously spent their experience on mounts that wouldn't get washed away this time. Basically I read it as being that they can't be physically killed - being animate plot devices - erm... partially not-of-this-world. But since normal horses wouldn't carry them and black robes and magic swords being hard to come by in the wilderness, they straggled back to Mordor to say "Sorry boss, we lost him at the last minute - he made it to Elrond's place." That means - depending on how you see them - they're transdimensional or desolid (like ghosts) but can become physical, or just really, really, tough. Personally I'd build 'em as automatons, since nothing apart from the invisibility suggests they were desolid/intangible: just scary-dangerous. cheers, Mark Well I know they weren't really destroyed. My main question is how do you simulate the river flood attack, regardless of the target, or would that fall under a plot device by the author/GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: Middle-earth . . . An EB with 0 End and a large AoE on a Trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Well I know they weren't really destroyed. My main question is how do you simulate the river flood attack' date=' regardless of the target, or would that fall under a plot device by the author/GM.[/quote'] If you wanted to simulate it, I'd go with a very large AoE telekinesis, on a trigger: it carried them away, but by itself would do no damage. OTOH, all that beating against the rocks and banks would do damage. Sounds like TK to me. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest voodoo54 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Thanks L. Marcus and Markdoc, both solutions sound good:thumbup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Ring wraiths would be an interesting build - lots of powers. Including a damage shield that destroys all weapons, and only particularly magical weapons being able to affect them at all - Meriadoc killed the Witch King of Angmar with his Barrow found blade, after all, while Eowyn distracted the Wraith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Nope -- Merry hurt him, causing him to lose his guard so Eowyn dould belt him one over the head. The Barrow Blade could hurt him, because that was it's purpose -- Eowyn could kill him because she "was not a man". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Nope - that was just flippant repartee. A play on the assumption that man means male in the english language. There is no background to the wraith being invulnerable to males only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Witch-King of Angmar - MERP.com http://www.merp.com/search?SearchableText=Witch-King+of+Angmar Witch-King of Angmar - Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-king_of_Angmar Witch-King of Angmar - The Thain's Book http://www.tuckborough.net/witchking.html Witch-King of Angmar - Tolkien Gate Way http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Witch-king_of_Angmar Witch-King of Angmar - Youtube LOL QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Alright, alright - they both did it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Nope - that was just flippant repartee. A play on the assumption that man means male in the english language. There is no background to the wraith being invulnerable to males only. . . . What, apart from the prophecy of Gildor Inglorion? Edit: Scratch that -- the prophecy was made by Glorfindel . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Witch-King of Angmar - Tolkien Gate Way http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Witch-king_of_Angmar QM Dang you. I started reading that site and got hooked. Wow. great reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest voodoo54 Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I'm doing a write up for the Nazgul's Fell Beasts and am having as one of it's powers the powerful scream as seen in the movies, can't remember if they did this in the book, but either way it seems like a pretty neat power for them to have. Any suggestions or improvements would be appreciated. So anyway here it is: Terrible Scream: Entangle 5d6, Takes No Damage From Attacks(+1/2), AOE(Line, +1), Set Affect(Hands Only, -1) I think this power is better simulated with Entangle than Flash based on the fact that the characters were more or less immobilized other than being able to run away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I'd just modify a pterodactyl from the bestiary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Dang you. I started reading that site and got hooked. Wow. great reference. Thank you nolgroth You say the nicest things QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest voodoo54 Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I'd just modify a pterodactyl from the bestiary. You mean a Pteranodon on pg 155? Way to weak, I want the fell beasts to be powerful and resemble the movie depiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Maybe one of the dragons then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I'm doing a write up for the Nazgul's Fell Beasts and am having as one of it's powers the powerful scream as seen in the movies, can't remember if they did this in the book, but either way it seems like a pretty neat power for them to have. Any suggestions or improvements would be appreciated. So anyway here it is: Terrible Scream: Entangle 5d6, Takes No Damage From Attacks(+1/2), AOE(Line, +1), Set Affect(Hands Only, -1) I think this power is better simulated with Entangle than Flash based on the fact that the characters were more or less immobilized other than being able to run away. I'd agree it's not a flash, but I'd model it using a PRE attack: victims who are overwhelmed cower or run away, which sounds about right, with possibly a small PRE drain with a delayed return, to explain the long term effect, whereby repeated cries ground down even the toughest. It'd also explain how the hobbits (who seem to have Power DEF; this explains their resistance to many things such as the corrosive effect of the ring, some poisons, the morgul blade, etc) were able to bear its effect. As for a physical template, I'd start with a wyvern. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest voodoo54 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Maybe one of the dragons then. Not that powerful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest voodoo54 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I'd agree it's not a flash, but I'd model it using a PRE attack: victims who are overwhelmed cower or run away, which sounds about right, with possibly a small PRE drain with a delayed return, to explain the long term effect, whereby repeated cries ground down even the toughest. It'd also explain how the hobbits (who seem to have Power DEF; this explains their resistance to many things such as the corrosive effect of the ring, some poisons, the morgul blade, etc) were able to bear its effect. As for a physical template, I'd start with a wyvern. cheers, Mark Interesting, I'll take it into consideration:sneaky: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I've used wyverns as models for fell beasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibear Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Wyvern, yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest voodoo54 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I wrote up the fell beast on my own and now that I'm looking at the wyvern they do look extremely similar and I probably could have saved some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth Told ya. Or, maybe I didn't but the guys above did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I wrote up the racial/cultural package deals for Elves and Men for 4th Edition. I can't remember where I stored them. I'll look through my old disks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Re: Middle-earth I have another question for anybody out there in Herodom. How would you simulate the river flood destroying the Ring-wraiths in Fellowship of the Ring in Hero terms? Hmnn, how about the Nazgul being denizens of another dimension (spirit world). Build morgul blades with whatever power you want, and include extra D effect (real world). Then make the blades breakable foci. Vulnerable to water damage would add flavor. I'm thinking of Gandalf's comment something to the effect of "unable to hide their nothingness" being the effect of the flood at the ford. Also, though they were able to sense the Real World, it was dimly. Though one had a bonus to scent rolls. 2cents from the hoard of, Midas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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