Cosmosemeritus Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Sorry Dale, but the ol' HP 48 confirms Gojira. 250gal = 33.4201388889...ft^3. That negative space between barrels takes up a lot more volume that you'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale A. Ward Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Okay, I surrender... I have now been wrong twice! I would like to point out, however, that my original premise was correct in that I was visualizing barrels and buckets (round containers) as opposed to a rectangular solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savinien Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period So... Did anyone actually come up with a usable map/picture of a cog/trireme? I could use it in my Middle-Earth game. The group is headed onto an Umbarran ship. I'm thinking a twilight raid will be fun. But, I need a map and a 'crew count'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayapuppies Posted May 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Here's a couple of pictures I managed to glean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period What you have there is a Trireme, a 10th century ship (nobody seems to agree what these are called, being a transition between a knorr and a cog) and a galleas, if you're interested. Here's a picture of a cog: cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayapuppies Posted June 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period w00t! More pics. Yeah, I included the trireme for grins and giggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savinien Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Any internal maps of these ships? I have a Dak, but wonder how close it would be to these...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period This is actually a good thread for some research I need to touch on, but I'm also curious about Japanese and Chinese sailing vessels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Play4Keeps Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Helping w/the necromancy - - - Types of ships to look for: Cog Galleass Dhow Lymphad Carrack Fluyt Galleon Last two are late period: you say you know "'pirate' ships" so you probably know them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojira Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period This is actually a good thread for some research I need to touch on' date=' but I'm also curious about Japanese and Chinese sailing vessels.[/quote'] Here's an obvious place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_%28ship%29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ofeelya Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period I suggest that you get hold of the Columbia Games supplement for Harn called "Pilot's Almanac". It will answer all of yoru questions and give you some cool maps as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inu Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Okay' date=' I surrender... I have now been wrong [b']twice[/b]! I would like to point out, however, that my original premise was correct in that I was visualizing barrels and buckets (round containers) as opposed to a rectangular solid. Make your job easier, conver to metric. Metric works REALLY nicely when converting volume to mass. One cubic centimetre of water is one millilitre, and weighs one grab. 1000 cubic centimetres (a 10cm cube) is one litre, and weighs one kilogram. A cubic metre of water is one ton (1000 kg). Water has a specific gravity of 1, meaning it's the standard used above. Gold has a specific gravity of 19.3, which means that a cubic metre of gold weighs about 19.3 tons. One cubic centimetre of gold weighs 19.3 grams. (Solid gold, anyway. Liquid gold probably has a different density.) Metric rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inu Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period I did research on this topic a while back, for my own fantasy game. There is pitiful information out there for cogs, holks, and similar ships. If anyone has good sites to point me to, I'd be forever grateful! Wiki was pretty poor in information in these areas last time I checked. There was some good stuff, though. Oared ships remained the standard for military vessels until the late middle ages. They were a dominant force in the Battle of Lepanto, in 1571. (In my own game, galleys are the standard for most nations, but there are a couple of ocean-going ones that have invested heavily in new technologies, and can make caravels. Lotta info on caravels. Not so many on cogs and related vessels. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Oared ships remained the standard for military vessels until the late middle ages. I don't know that I'd say they were the standard. The Mediterranean was well-suited to galleys (land isn't too far away if a storm blows up), but outside it, oared ships weren't too common. Although, the Swedes did use them to good effect against the Russians in the 1780s. Coastal warfare again, though. A fleet of galleys out of sight of land is begging to be sunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period I suggest that you get hold of the Columbia Games supplement for Harn called "Pilot's Almanac". It will answer all of yoru questions and give you some cool maps as well. I have to second this very strongly. I am a real history buff for seafaring from the age of the galley to late sail. Columbia Game’s “Pilots Almanac” is hands down the best RPG handbook for running the maritime aspects of a merchantmen in the 1200-1600’s. It’s guidelines (loose rules) cover everything from sailing the ship, cargo handling, crew positions with job descriptions and how simulate them for a game. Pay, how to navigate and so on. All with enough detail to make a great game, but simple enough to be usable with one read through. If you are running a medieval seafaring game this is the book to have. Until there is a Hero book that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period I don't know that I'd say they were the standard. The Mediterranean was well-suited to galleys (land isn't too far away if a storm blows up)' date=' but outside it, oared ships weren't too common.[/quote'] Surely the Viking longship qualifies as an oared vessel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Surely the Viking longship qualifies as an oared vessel. Yeah, I suppose. It's more the exception than the rule. As late as the 1700's there were occasional oared ships plying the Atlantic, but they were mostly sailing ships refitted with oars, and weren't particularly handy when rowed. They are also much more the exception than the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavanne Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Ship by David Macaulay is a good basic book about the caravels of the 15th & 16th centuries. It's more about construction than use, but that's what you'd expect from Macaulay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Yeah, I suppose. It's more the exception than the rule. As late as the 1700's there were occasional oared ships plying the Atlantic, but they were mostly sailing ships refitted with oars, and weren't particularly handy when rowed. They are also much more the exception than the rule. I dunno. I was the drummer on a slave galley in the Atlantic around the eleventh century and there were plenty of oared galleys and longships around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale A. Ward Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period I just watched a History Channel show about contemporary machines and devices and their ancient ancestors. One of the segments was about modern cargo ships and their ancient Greek forerunners. They mentioned a ship named "Syracusea" that was supposedly an amazing vessel designed by Archimedes for the king of Syracuse. It was hailed as the largest cargo ship of its day, being 5 times as long as the ships it was replacing, and could carry enough grain to feed the entire city of Athens for a year. I've tried googling it, but got nothing. Someone else may have better luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teh bunneh Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Anyone know of any links to maps of the interiors of ships? Something with rough dimensions and a key to which sections are which (where officers/crew quarters are, where the cargo hold is, etc)? I'm trying to find a schooner, but heck, at this point just about anything would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period http://www.newnetherland.org/images/ship8.jpg http://www.sdmaritime.org/PrivateEvents.asp?ContentID=293 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period I don't know that I'd say they were the standard. The Mediterranean was well-suited to galleys (land isn't too far away if a storm blows up), but outside it, oared ships weren't too common. Although, the Swedes did use them to good effect against the Russians in the 1780s. Coastal warfare again, though. A fleet of galleys out of sight of land is begging to be sunk. Again, it depends on the design. English shpmakers were producing at least one fairly common Galley design up till 1809, if I recall my research correctly. I know Cpt. William Kidd set out on his ill fortuned venture from London in 1696 in a brand spanking new ship name Adventure Galley, which was built on the basic model...tho these late period galleys were built and rigged essentially as frigates with additional sweeps to provide combat maneuverability. So they're warships alright... Kidd was originally a pirate hunter and privateer, so he wanted something that'd fight well. A pic of the Adventure Galley for y'all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concord Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Anyone know of any links to maps of the interiors of ships? Something with rough dimensions and a key to which sections are which (where officers/crew quarters are, where the cargo hold is, etc)? I'm trying to find a schooner, but heck, at this point just about anything would do. Lythia.com is a resource for Harn and you can find some ship plans there. The second link is the closest to your request. This is a link to a map bundle which contains amongst other plans, two ships in TIF format. http://www.lythia.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=211 This is a link to a PDF file that maps and describes a 64 ft ship known as a dak or cog. http://www.lythia.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Re: Ships of the Dark Ages and Medieval Period Strictly necromantic bump on this thread so I can find it more easily. Trying to come up with plausible, workable maritime stuff for a fantastic analogy to the tech that existed in North Sea area about 1250 AD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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