Bazza Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Its a matter of degree. There is fantasy with verisimilitude. Something that gives you suspension of disbelief. And there is silly as hell. Trek has grown into silly as hell. That's not true! It's always been silly as hell. So should Trek be replaced be with something more truthfulness? (or if you prefer 'truthiness'? ) or is trek a science fable/fairy tale set in space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Trek isn't any sillier than it was when it started out, it's just written much worse. Constantly resorting to treknobabble deus ex machina to resolve central plot conflicts is only the worst offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Trek isn't any sillier than it was when it started out' date=' it's just written much worse. Constantly resorting to treknobabble deus ex machina to resolve central plot conflicts is only the worst offense.[/quote'] Its also a question of magnitude. Origially it was a working formula. After 42 years the formula of finding a new race and inhabitable world every week while not actually expanding because you are surrounded by other powers is a bit... bloated. Add in an ability to keep it all straight and... well, its a disaster zone. And yes, TNG-VOY had huge tech-based solutions to what should have been human dramas every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings So should Trek be replaced be with something more truthfulness? (or if you prefer 'truthiness'? ) or is trek a science fable/fairy tale set in space? Its definately space opera. I'm not big on franchises. Franchises aren't about the product, they're about the profits. That makes some financial sense, but the shows tend to suffer from it. Trek had a great premise and can be a vehicle for good stories and interesting themes, and has some cool chrome sitting on top of it, but the bloat-canon combined with no attempt whatsoever to have it make any sense has passed beyond my threshold. I would like to see an "essential trek." Distill it down to its key elements, mash it into something that looks like a real star chart, add on a veneer of hard-science nodding lip service, and get back to it. The movie and TNG era turned the federation into a bloated bureaucracy with more member races and worlds than it actually has space for smashed between a bunch of powers that keep it from going anywhere. To boldly be sedentary! Woo-hoo. Its a good concept that needs a flensing of creative blubber. Jettison the chaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Trek isn't any sillier than it was when it started out' date=' it's just written much worse. Constantly resorting to treknobabble deus ex machina to resolve central plot conflicts is only the worst offense.[/quote'] Just in case you hadn't noticed this when it posted before... Voltaire did a song about this exact issue, on his Banned on Vulcan album. Lyrics NSFW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Star Trekin across the universe On the star ship Enterprise under Captain Kirk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings it is entertainment' date=' not a documentary[/quote'] No, is historical documents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings No' date=' is [i']historical documents[/i]. Waitacottonpickingminute! They LIED?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Was that the first notable movie that had Justin Long in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Herbie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Nope, Galaxy Quest was in 1999 (!). It is Long's earliest acting credit on IMDB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Nope' date=' Galaxy Quest was in 1999 (!). It is Long's earliest acting credit on IMDB.[/quote'] And he's been real busy lately: Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakuel (2009) (pre-production) (voice) .... Alvin Planet 51 (2009) (filming) (voice) .... Lem Alpha and Omega (2010) (post-production) .... Humphrey Drag Me to Hell (2009) (post-production) .... Clay Youth in Revolt (2009) (post-production) .... Paul Saunders Patriotville (2009) (post-production) .... Chase Revere After.Life (2009) (post-production) (rumored) .... Paul Serious Moonlight (2009) (post-production) .... Todd He's Just Not That Into You (2009) (completed) .... Alex Still Waiting... (2009) (completed) .... Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Yeah, I saw that. Plus the Apple ads. I wonder what he's getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Not enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Somehow I doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Step 8: Have Heart attack. Step 9: Die happy Lucius Alexander In the absence of rules to the contrary, the palindromedary declares ownership and control of everyone's characters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings No' date=' is [i']historical documents[/i]. I know that Galaxy Quest got the name "Thermians" from some old B movie from the fifties that I saw on Mystery Science Theatre one time. But I couldn't remember the name of the movie if the palindromedary's life depended on it. Lucius Alexander The dead palindromedary is a kind of sandy brown color, and has four legs and two heads at opposite ends of the body. It smells like any other carrion and the only sound it emits is the buzzing of flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings I know that Galaxy Quest got the name "Thermians" from some old B movie from the fifties that I saw on Mystery Science Theatre one time. But I couldn't remember the name of the movie if the palindromedary's life depended on it. Lucius Alexander The dead palindromedary is a kind of sandy brown color, and has four legs and two heads at opposite ends of the body. It smells like any other carrion and the only sound it emits is the buzzing of flies. bzz bzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Wow. Some of us have forgotten the rules Eh. They were house rules anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Eh. They were house rules anyway. And in my house you will follow my rules, young man! er...Lizard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings And in my house you will follow my rules' date=' young man! er...Lizard![/quote'] actually, he is a V alien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings actually' date=' he is a V alien. [/quote'] That doesn't change my statement in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings Gems like this are why I love the internet. "When I explained "zero" to my 3-year old, he told me "Before I was zero years old, I was invisible. I was everywhere. Then I came here and turned pink so you and mommy could find me. When I'm 100 years old I'll turn invisible again. When I am infinity [his favorite word & concept from the Buzz-Lightyear movie] years old the sun will be gone, but I will make a new sun." Lucius Alexander The palindromedary is another reason I've never said this to anyone before, but I want to spend time with your kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings I've never said this to anyone before' date=' but I want to spend time with your kid.[/quote'] Unfortunately, it's not my kid. It's from an anonymous comment on a website so I can't even prove it was ANYBODY's kid. For all I know, that person has no children and made the whole thing up. However, I'd like to think it was a child, and I'd like to spend time with them too. Lucius Alexander And introduce them to a palindromedary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Re: Musings on Random Musings I've never said this to anyone before' date=' but I want to spend time with your kid.[/quote'] Me too, we both could learn some great wisdom. When he creates the new sun, I will be New Mars, and you can be New Venus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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