BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I've had logic in Computer Programming, Philosophy, Psychology, and Math courses. My earliest experience in school was in 4th and 5th grade mathematics. Are they even teaching logic in schools nowadays? EDIT: Public Education, not post-secondary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I had some binary logic in my electronics class ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 i reckon that basic knowledge of philosophy should be taught in science courses, and basic science class should be taught in philosophy/humanities courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I disagree, because IME the humanities people are too willing to allow elegance of phrase and argument override theobservations and measurements. Meanwhile, science types consider dielectic to be a largely content-free waste of time, and reach immediately for the measuring stick. And we won't bring up at all what happens when the science types find mathematical tools beyond algebra to be essential for further progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Progress makes a reliable capsule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I disagree, because IME the humanities people are too willing to allow elegance of phrase and argument override theobservations and measurements. Meanwhile, science types consider dielectic to be a largely content-free waste of time, and reach immediately for the measuring stick. And we won't bring up at all what happens when the science types find mathematical tools beyond algebra to be essential for further progress. All the more reason then, possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I disagree, because IME the humanities people are too willing to allow elegance of phrase and argument override theobservations and measurements. Meanwhile, science types consider dielectic to be a largely content-free waste of time, and reach immediately for the measuring stick. And we won't bring up at all what happens when the science types find mathematical tools beyond algebra to be essential for further progress. All the more reason then, possibly. To paraphrase something I heard once: Philosophers and Clergy are concerned with "Why the gods made us." Scientists are concerned with the "How." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Well I agree that philosophy is concerned with the "why" and science with the "how" but disagree with the "the gods made us" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Well, that's a philosophy/theology issue about which I have no opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Well I agree that philosophy is concerned with the "why" and science with the "how" but disagree with the "the gods made us" part. Oh? disagree on the god's plural or the existence of god, period? I'm a freelance monotheistic pagan with strong leanings towards Universal Unitarianism myself. Well, that's a philosophy/theology issue about which I have no opinion. Intelligent design. 'Nuff said. *puts on flame-proof body suit* EDIT: as in, I myself subscribe to intelligent design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Oh? disagree on the god's plural or the existence of god, period? I'm a freelance monotheistic pagan with strong leanings towards Universal Unitarianism myself. More disagree that "the gods" don't need to specifically be part of either philosophy and/or science. However "divinity" is a different kettle of fish. Oh and God/dess exists, if you doubt, read Aquinas. I have would at this stage label myself a Platonist-Thomist. I also follow Sophia Perennis and its expressions (too many to list). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I've always enjoyed God's Debris by Scott Adams, myself. http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Roger deBris is a justly underrated stage director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Another issue on which I have no opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I've always enjoyed God's Debris by Scott Adams, myself. http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf cheers, reminds me of others, will post late when have more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Agnosticism rules OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 so you are a-gnostic like some are a-theist ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Agnosticism rules OK. I thought the point of Agnosticism was that there were no rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I think you mean anarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I've always enjoyed God's Debris by Scott Adams, myself. http://nowscape.com/godsdebris.pdf Your book God’s Debris reminded me of Lucid Living (details below). Other books you might want to look into are also below Lucid Living: A Book You Can Read in One Hour That Will Turn Your World Inside Out by Tim Freke Similar The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are by Alan Watts On Having No Head: Zen and the Rediscovery of the Obvious by Douglas E. Harding [One of David Bowie's top 100 must-read books*] Also consider: The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism by Edward Feser *http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/01/david-bowie-books-kerouac-milligan (one book on that list “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” by Julian Jaynes caught my eye, will need to follow that one up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 *puts on beatnik clothes* Like, deep man! *snaps fingers and plays the bongos before getting a doobey* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 only as deep as you want it to be. what is there is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 And sometimes not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 reality isn't there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 What you like to think is reality isn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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