Mister E Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Re: The Last Word That's para-digg'ems for you. Still, The World is a non-transcendable body of things forever "existing" beyond actual contextual foreground content. Any "view" of it will always be just a big-picture suffering from the fallacy of composition. This will never change. ~ Mister E ("I know the world is around here, somewhere.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Re: The Last Word ... I can see the Matrix, but only when playing pool or mini-golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Re: The Last Word Somedy they will criticize us for having such a parochial world view' date=' locked as it is to the concepts of chronology, causality, and sequence.[/quote'] Why wait, I can do that now for you if you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Yeah, you do that all the time. But I've thoroughly bought into my scientist perspective, and I'll stay that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Yeah' date=' you do that all the time. But I've thoroughly bought into my scientist perspective, and I'll stay that way.[/quote'] And really i do value that perspective. Even if i don't say it often enough. Some days i do wish I had a background/grounding in science/academia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word There's always back to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word There's always back to school. But I've been at school since I was about six* with only one whole year off (whole of 2002). I completely finished in June 2010, one whole year ago approx today. So you'll forgive me if i say "No!", I've had my share of school/university etc. *woah 3 decades ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Is the old noggin full,for now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word no, I am reading theology of the early greek philosophers (link upwards) so no, brain no full, my memory is expansive as the edge of the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word ... Which edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word oh my mistake, assuming there is an edge. I'm assuming science says there is an edge to the universe. Not that others (may or may not including me) hold that worldview/position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Visibly, there's a horizon. The Cosmic Background Radiation, you know -- visible to us as electromagnetic waves with the energy peak at ~3 degrees Kelvin. Looks as though it's 14 billion light years away, but is now actually about 40 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Visibly' date=' there's a horizon. The Cosmic Background Radiation, you know -- visible to us as electromagnetic waves with the energy peak at ~3 degrees Kelvin. Looks as though it's 14 billion light years away, but is now actually about 40 ...[/quote'] 40 Billion? And what is over that horizon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Yas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Oh, so the more info humanity find out, the older the universe is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Nope. It's fourteen-and-a-bit billion years old. But because of the expansion/creation of space, a spot that was 14 Gly away 14 Gyears ago, is now, 14 Gyears later, 40 Gly away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word The horizon of the visible Universe is expanding at c, and always has been. That's sort of a definition thing, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Re: The Last Word Question: what is our universe expanding into? Followup: and does this not imply 'something' deeper that our universe 'sits' upon? (may need to be rephrased) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Re: The Last Word The physical Universe itself ... we don't know, and I am not sure that's knowable. OTOH, the observable Universe is expanding into more of the physical Universe. The limit of the observable Universe is the distance where light/whatever is just now reaching us. We could not have observed it yesterday because there hadn't been enough time for those emissions to have reached us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Re: The Last Word Mosquitoes ... We hates them, yes we do! But the swallows've gotta eat too, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Re: The Last Word The bats too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Re: The Last Word ... You know, I've never seen a bat around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Re: The Last Word The physical Universe itself ... we don't know, and I am not sure that's knowable. OTOH, the observable Universe is expanding into more of the physical Universe. The limit of the observable Universe is the distance where light/whatever is just now reaching us. We could not have observed it yesterday because there hadn't been enough time for those emissions to have reached us. So in essence: The observable universe is the universe where light has reached us. This could be from 1) the edge of the universe reflecting/rebounding back 2) from other objects within the universe eg a supernova. #2 could be from outside the observable universe, which increases our knowledge base and awareness of it. If this equation is accurate: physical universe - observable universe = the areas of the physical universe we are unaware of. Right? And as for "The physical Universe itself ... we don't know, and I am not sure that's knowable", it may be a case that science cannot answer this conundrum. That is not to say that it hasn't already been answered *knowingly wink*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Re: The Last Word If this equation is accurate: physical universe - observable universe = the areas of the physical universe we are unaware of. Right? Yes. Those areas are "outside our horizon" ... due to the finite age of the Universe, there has not been time enough for light to have reached us from places that far away. And as for "The physical Universe itself ... we don't know, and I am not sure that's knowable", it may be a case that science cannot answer this conundrum. That is not to say that it hasn't already been answered *knowingly wink*. Well ... not provably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Re: The Last Word Yes. Those areas are "outside our horizon" ... due to the finite age of the Universe' date=' there has not been time enough for light to have reached us from places that far away. [/quote'] Cheers. Well ... not provably. Depends on the nature of proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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