Bazza Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Re: The Last Word Oh, and stars are made of "ego". Though that might be in the Hollywood system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Re: The Last Word "If simple perfect laws uniquely rule the universe, should not pure thought be capable of uncovering this perfect set of laws without having to lean on the crutches of tediously assembled observations? True, the laws to be discovered may be perfect, but the human brain is not. Left on its own, it is prone to stray, as many past examples sadly prove. In fact, we have missed few chances to err until new data freshly gleaned from nature set us right again for the next steps. Thus pillars rather than crutches are the observations on which we base our theories; ..." Martin Schwarzschild, An introduction to the theory of stellar structure and evolution, 1958. "Mr Martin Schwarzschild, is consciousness, part or apart of the universe?" Oh, and I agree with the general gist of what he says...mostly. I like the first part "If simple perfect laws uniquely rule the universe, should not pure thought be capable of uncovering this perfect set of laws...". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word He's deceased, but my guess is his answer would be, "There is no unambiguous evidence to indicate consciousness exists outside of some living things." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word For the most part' date=' I agree. for the difference refer to two CEOs: Mr Jobs vs Mr Ballmer. Both are not engineers, one gets it (Jobs), the other is clueless (Ballmer). Ballmer is a marketing type. As someone once said, when the marketing types take over, whatever technical superiority you may once have had is forever lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word middle management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word Executive management. Because marketing is nothing but style over substance, of selling product by manipulating perceptions about it rather than making it worth buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word ... The scallywags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word Dilbertian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMan Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Re: The Last Word Evil. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Ballmer is a marketing type. As someone once said' date=' when the marketing types take over, whatever technical superiority you may once have had is forever lost.[/quote'] That may be true for 99% of companies. Lucky for Apple they survived the CEOs: Scully, Spindler, Amelio. No all were marketing types, but then again, not really technical people either. Jobs is lucky in that regard. He himself is not necessary a technical person (remember Woz built the early stuff), but Steve was there at the birth of the PC industry* which was filled with technical people. Also Pixar and NeXT were technical companies. Next didn't get their marketing right and were eventually bought by Apple, and Pixar was a group of computer graphic scientist that Jobs bought of Lucas and turned it into a smash-hit movie studio. *it was Steve's suggestion to Woz that they sell his personal computer dubbed the Apple I -- the computer that birthed the partnership/company that birthed personal computer industry that we know today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMan Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Jobs' failures at NeXT taught him a lot of important lessons that he hadn't learned while building Apple and the PC industry. In my opinion, the fact that Jobs ran NeXT into the ground was the very thing that led to him being successful with Pixar and upon his return to Apple. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word It's been a good day for weirdness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word That site I linked to in the Random Mooings and Courtfool threads. And, I just finished printing out some letters I'm sending to legislators. Telling them to cut administrators rather than the people who do real work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMan Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Has anyone besides me noticed that the conversations over here and the conversations on the Longest Thread Ever and kind of indistinguishable, and often overlapping? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word That site I linked to in the Random Mooings and Courtfool threads. And, I just finished printing out some letters I'm sending to legislators. Telling them to cut administrators rather than the people who do real work. ... Are hacksaws involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Has anyone besides me noticed that the conversations over here and the conversations on the Longest Thread Ever and kind of indistinguishable, and often overlapping? Doc ... What, are you surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Has anyone besides me noticed that the conversations over here and the conversations on the Longest Thread Ever and kind of indistinguishable, and often overlapping? Doc Everything can go in the Longest Thread, by its nature. Provocative non sequiturs I try to post there. And, no one keeps score there. This one, by its nature, is just a sniping contest. Besides, lots of NGD blurs across boundaries. We strive harder to be as content-free as can be attained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word A prime example! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Like seven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word This one, by its nature, is just a sniping contest. wrong. The nature of this thread is for those with political differences and can't sort them out, can continue to post here and get "The Last Word". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word ... Not politics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word Empirical evidence suggests that no gets the last word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Re: The Last Word bUt no means yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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