Cancer Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Braille. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 ... How would one feel one's way to scientific understanding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Don't you think you might be able to get out a broader brush and plaster other broad segments of human endeavor with content-free deprecation at the same time? Nope...perhaps there is a method to my madness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCloud2k2 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 But does your madness need a method? Mine doesn't. And I'm not mad. I'm just very, very angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 But does your madness need a method? Yes. actually I can think of a few methods. And that is my big problem, I don't follow these methods as much as i should to acquire scientia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 ... How would one feel one's way to scientific understanding? Semi serious answer: Do you have knowledge that your parents love you? Is this the same for your brothers? If yes to the second question, you have peer review. Can one acquire scientific knowledge of beauty or it is beauty something you just feel? Continuing on, is this feeling of beauty justified-true-belief or is it knowledge of beauty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 http://www.glasbergen.com/wp-content/gallery/cartoons/toon-1705.gif http://www.glasbergen.com/wp-content/gallery/cartoons/toon-1707.gif Cheers tkdguy, glad you liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Cheers tkdguy, glad you liked it. Thanks for posting those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Can one acquire scientific knowledge of beauty or it is beauty something you just feel? Continuing on, is this feeling of beauty justified-true-belief or is it knowledge of beauty? As feelings and emotions are part and parcel of the physical human brain and the interaction of its neurons, I have no hesitation to say that finding something aesthetically pleasing no doubt has a scientific explanation. As different people find different things beautiful, but no-one to my awareness cannot find anything pleasing, aesthetics should be a trait for all humans. As human culture (and probably language) is on the order of a hundred millennia old, it all probably came along with the first bead necklace or the first ochre body paint and someone managed to say "This is pretty." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 As feelings and emotions are part and parcel of the physical human brain and the interaction of its neurons, I have no hesitation to say that finding something aesthetically pleasing no doubt has a scientific explanation. As different people find different things beautiful, but no-one to my awareness cannot find anything pleasing, aesthetics should be a trait for all humans. As human culture (and probably language) is on the order of a hundred millennia old, it all probably came along with the first bead necklace or the first ochre body paint and someone managed to say "This is pretty." so that then is consciousness and conscience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Consciousness is being examined, and seems to be an amalgamation of different sub-routines of the brain, so to speak. There are people who lose their sense of self through trauma, mostly to the frontal lobe. They experience the effects as though they're not one person anymore, but more of a committee. So consciousness, or self-awareness, show all signs of being emergent behavior due to the complexity of the human brain. Conscience is in many cases learned behavior. It's culture, mostly, apart from certain hard-wired instincts like thou shalt not kill (that can still be overcome by desperation or conditioning -- much military training is devoted to this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 okay no worries. * smirks at phrase "certain hard-wired instincts" * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Sure, we do have them. How else would you breathe or suckle the moment you were born? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Or the startle reflex, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Most common antibiotic for me has been Augmentin, but I haven't had any for four years now. (apparently, past conscious) L. Marcus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Consciousness is being examined, and seems to be an amalgamation of different sub-routines of the brain, so to speak. There are people who lose their sense of self through trauma, mostly to the frontal lobe. They experience the effects as though they're not one person anymore, but more of a committee. So consciousness, or self-awareness, show all signs of being emergent behavior due to the complexity of the human brain. Conscience is in many cases learned behavior. It's culture, mostly, apart from certain hard-wired instincts like thou shalt not kill (that can still be overcome by desperation or conditioning -- much military training is devoted to this). so basically consciousness for you is an epiphenomenon of neurochemistry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Creatures with (the delusion of?) consciousness discussing the phenomenon of consciousness is an example of recursion, though by themselves humans seem to have only a limited capacity for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 okay no worries. * smirks at phrase "certain hard-wired instincts" * For clarification I found this which was mentioned in a book i read; basically humanity has a hard-wired instinct for religion/social cohesion. edit: also this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Like nearly all primates, humans are social animals. It's what primates do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 so basically consciousness for you is an epiphenomenon of neurochemistry? Say rather an emergent behavior of the way our neocortex is set up -- the neuron is an amazing little thing. For clarification I found this which was mentioned in a book i read; basically humanity has a hard-wired instinct for religion/social cohesion. edit: also this Yeahs, pretty much. Like nearly all primates, humans are social animals. It's what primates do. And we do it pretty well. Bordering on too well, sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Again, I recommend Gödel, Escher, Bach for some thinking along lines relevant here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Must read it some day ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Again, I recommend Gödel, Escher, Bach for some thinking along lines relevant here. Great book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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