Jump to content

Longest Running Thread EVER


Recommended Posts

Feh, the best philosophers could do was a thoroughly anthropocentric ... no, philosopher-centric ... universe, where only those wealthy enough (or with wealthy enough patrons) had the leisure to play the rhetorical games that passed for insight into how the world works. The plebe and slave classes gained nothing from it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

*chuckle*

 

reminded of the alleged inscription above The Academy: "Let None But Geometers Enter Here". Then who wrote the book (literally) on life, the universe, and everything? Plato with the Timaeus. And also reminded of fellows like Democritus who were just as much mathematicians as philosophers.

 

yep, just as much science/maths in the ancient Greek culture as philosophy. Two sides of the same coin.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Canadian house prices at unprecedented multiples of income! Canadian debt at unprecedented levels of income! Canadian year-over-year income stagnation unprecedented! Hey! Look at the three unrelated facts before getting back to worrying about our upcoming housing price bust-driven recession.

 

Because, y'know, what can you do?

Cash out all your investments and bury the money in a coffee can in the back yard.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Then why aren't today's philosophers geometers? Many are proudly and dedicatedly ignorant of mathematics and disciplines that lean heavily upon mathematics today' date=' as C. P. Snow famously pointed out.[/quote'] what was that quote may i ask?

 

And asking vice versa: why aren't mathematicians philosophers?

 

The answer would be simple: they forgot their past, or more likely the educators in the universities over the centuries didn't teach them the connection between the two areas. I'd guess that since the scientific era the predominance is on specialisation in a discipline whether it be physics, or chemistry, or French history during the 17th century; one gets caught up in their specialised field of knowledge and misses the big/unified picture. Also there are pros/cons to this modern approach, don't get me wrong about that.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah' date=' it's The Two Cultures. Probably available for free on-line somewhere. Bertrand Russell, actually, was both.[/quote']Bertrand Russell probably was both, he made contributions to maths and philosophy, however i have little interest in him.

 

:)

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah' date=' it's The Two Cultures. Probably available for free on-line somewhere.[/quote'] here:

 

http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/...2-cultures.pdf

 

now to find "part two" The Second Look revision/update to that lecture.

 

edit: original New Stateman newspaper article also online here: http://www.newstatesman.com/cultural-capital/2013/01/c-p-snow-two-cultures

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I gather that Snow was railing against the British education system and the social structure that abetted it, where people with a carefully cultivated willful ignorance of quantitative sciences were the end product, while those with skills in science, engineering, and mathematics were denigrated and sneered at, even though it was their bailiwick that created the wealth that permitted the mathophobes to maintain their lifestyle. A repeat of the historical gentry-versus-trades (or even poms-versus-oz) phenomenon. Lord Melbourne's comment about liking his Order of the Garter best because there was "no damned nonsense about merit" about it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

in a sense yes, Snow was arguing precisely that, that quantitative sciences should be taught in British schools. However today we may have gone too far, I'd like to see some of the humanities taught (not that i know much about the British education system, yet). And I'm p-ed off that logic isn't taught in school, either maths-based and or argumentative logic (derived from Aristotle, eg: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, students in 101 are taken by surprise when I label a common wrong answer on an exam a formal logic fallacy. And they really can't handle multi-step inferences. Two is dicey; more than two is approximately hopeless.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...